#425 The Debt Collection Scandal - Peter Wilson on Legal Loopholes and Your Rights

Welcome to the Awakening podcast and the Sovereign Man podcast. I'm joined by my good friend Peter Wilson. There's no introduction needed because, I mean, you need to go back to the shows, type his name in the link, whether it's YouTube or on the website, and all his episodes will come up, and all the descriptions are in the show notes.

Anyway, welcome back, Peter. Oh, thank you very much. It's always good to come along and have a good chat every month.

No, absolutely. And I suppose where we start, because we usually have a good chat ourselves, and you were telling me about the pigeons, and it was something, racing pigeons, I didn't know, because I just thought, that's cool, I don't know how they train them, and, you know, that they send them off and they're racing around, but it's not as straightforward as I thought. No, I mean, the thing is, what it was is, like, we've been running, like, martial arts gyms for, like, over 30 years, you know, so you get to know people as they're bringing their kids in, and, you know, and it was one of the parents, he has been for a long, long, long time, like, you know, into his pigeons and racing pigeons and everything, and then next door to us at our allotment is, like, there's, well, in fact, on both sides, they're everywhere.

I think they actually got more pigeon, what are they called, Cree pigeon, Creole, whatever, anyway, wherever they keep all these pigeons. There's more of them in the allotments than anything else, more than food growing, but, no, what they do is, this is the racing season now because it's past the spring, they're right, they've all been mating, so they're all ready for the chickens to, sorry, I'm getting the chickens, for the little pigeons to be born out of the egg, and they call it, I think, I'm sure the word I can remember is chipping, you know, and I was, well, what does it mean, chipping? It's what they do is they're chipping to come out of the egg, the little babies, so all of the pigeons that are racing are female because the reason why they fly so hard to try and get home, this is what he told me, is because the pigeons are hatching, the little babies are hatching, so they want to get home to look after them, that's why, so, you know, and then what they do is once they've actually flown home and they're reaching there, you know, they get rid of all of the eggs, they get rid of them all, kill them all, so it's just that enticing them to fly back as fast as possible, that's what it's all about, that's how they do it, it's not this, obviously, it's amazing that they've got this signal in them that they know which direction to fly, you know, and go there, but that's why they do it so hard get back, it's to help with their babies, which they get rid of, you know, and that's what you were saying, it was all females as well, which I didn't know, and I mean, if you look at birds as well, I mean, there's, I forget the name of them now, but there's big ones here, and they go to Africa and they come back and they go exactly to the same nest, and it's like, it's incredible, like that they know exactly where to come back a year later. In South Africa, it was like, well, close to where you live then, it's Boczonk, I think they're called, yeah, yeah, yeah, like Stork, yeah, Boczonk is the Polish name for it, yeah, yeah, so I was just, there's a famous story of one, and I'm sure it's in either around Poland or somewhere, you know, near you, and it was one of the female storks that got shot with a shotgun, and it injured the wing and they couldn't fly, so they had, they were a pair, they were mating, and the female couldn't fly, so when the male left to fly to South Africa, which is like thousands of miles, yeah, and they do it every year, you know, migrate away, because obviously you get really bad cold winters, and it would just kill all the birds, but this guy, this farmer, he actually took it in, built a house for it, kept it warm over the winter, and then in the summer, right, or spring, whenever it was, was getting nicer weather again, the male mate of the stork came back, straight back to that nest where she was, and she lived in that home there, and he came back every single year to be with her for 13 years, yeah, 13 years, you know, so like they stuck together all that time, and there was a number, I can't remember how many like chicks that they raised, and he used to fly back every, coming on to the winter, and take all of the little baby storks with him, and then they would do whatever they wanted, and he would go back, you know, so yeah, amazing, true love.

Exactly, you don't get much of that these days. So I suppose with the courts, is there any updates on court cases and things that's happening? No, now, right now, it just seems to be a long wait of paperwork, and I mean, in the group, we've got lots of people that are doing like, you know, their own individual battles, and we keep an eye on their paperwork, and we all discuss it, and see what's gone on before, show the case law, or what's happened to others, but like right now, the only ones I'm sort of like involved in are all kind of like at arm's length, there's nothing, I'm not actually in the court, which is a sign, nearly every other week up to now, but it's been okay, well, I mean, it's been quiet for three or four weeks, so there's still a lot going on in the background, but it's all being slowed down, and it's paperwork, piles of paperwork, and we're just preparing all the cases, ready to get back into the court, you know, a lot of it for, you know, the debt collectors, you know, and it's just an absolute scandal, really, and still people don't fully comprehend what I'm doing, or why we would be sort of like standing up to it. At the end of the day, these debt collectors, and I'm not, I don't care how much they pay for them, I'm not, you know, I mean, that's like, right, so if you owe a 10 grand debt, and the banks will, you know, cancel it, right, and then sell it to a debt collector for 200 pounds, which is the going rate, about 2%, that's fine, you know, I mean, it's just like, oh, dear me, but they don't do it legally or correctly, that's what bothers me, so in the UK, they should all be coming under the Law of Property Act 1925, because anything debt, right, is an asset, a debt is an asset, the same as a house, the same as a car, it's a, it's private property, and you can only transfer a property, be it a debt, from one party to the other, with an assignment, or a deed, depends, it doesn't have to be a deed, but it can be one or the other, but you must have some type of instrument of assignment, and they never do, because now what they've done is, they've created an industry, where they just do it all online, and it's all just data dumps, so these debt collectors, they actually have contracts with the banks, that they must buy a certain amount of data per quarter, so all they do is, they just go and buy all that data, they're not buying the debt, without a legally executed instrument of assignment, so literally, you've taken it from one party to give to the other, it should be a legal process, and they don't do that, because it's obviously, it's just built for profit, so if you think about it, then they are allowed to breach all of these regulations, so in their terms, not our terms, they're breaking the law, right, so that's the reason why we've looked at it, and thought, well, you know, you shouldn't be doing that, that's literally unfair, so not only are you selling a £10,000 alleged debt for £200, but expect to get the full £10,000 back, right, which you can make some, might be immoral, but it's certainly not illegal, and what they do as well, is they, well, I'm not sure about in the UK, but in Poland, what they have, is they have their fees, by the way, plus interest, and penalties, and everything, so a £10,000 would eventually be like £15,000.

Yeah, well, if it goes to court, it can be, yeah, for sure, uh-huh, but initially, it's not like that, you know, and the reason, so the reason why we sort of like, so, you know, active on it, is because, well, that's, that's, that's breaking the law, their own rules, and they set it up, so why not follow it, because they make sure it's so laden with profit, that they will have, don't worry about assignments, you know, and what they've done is, they have what they call a master sales agreement, as you've probably done 10 years ago, and they try and say, that master sales agreement covers this assignment that we're doing now, today, so nobody signs anything, nobody has, no, no, we've got it all then, and it's a photocopy, with no signatures on, a photocopy, and we actually got one the other day, which is a black screw, it was literally a piece of paper, had the heading on, had the bottom, no, no signatures could be seen, great big black redacted lump in the middle, they went, that's your proof, proof of what, proof of a black piece of paper, you know, just that we can't say a thing, and they say, no, no, but that's, that's the assignment, you know, so that means, yeah, there's the legal proof that we bought it, now, if it was real, why would they black it out, and then they say, no, well, it's commercially sensitive, block out the price you're paying for it, if that was real, right, there's nobody else's name or details on this, it's not the spreadsheet, you're saying this is the assignment, they know it isn't, so they've actually blacked it all out, so, you know, but sometimes, and here's the thing, the judges will say, no, I'm accepting it, zero proof, I'm accepting it, you know, so that's the reason why, that we're so adamant in actually trying to help people understand it, and if there's a real solid case for it, which we've won, you know, quite a few of them now, where people have actually got it closed down, or compensation as well, you know, because we put them into a position, they know they can't prove that they've actually owned the legal title to that actual, it's called a chosen action under the Law of Property Act 1925, and they can't prove that they owned, legally owned that chosen action, and so they dropped the case, or, you know, a couple of members pushed as hard as they could, and actually got compensation for the breach of data, because no right to have the data, if they haven't got the legally executed instrument to say it's been assigned to them, on that specific chosen action or debt, yeah, so, I mean, that's the reason why we, like, you know, push so hard for it, it's not just because we don't like debt collectors, or that, you know, they're making too much profit, because they're buying a 10 grand debt for 200, you know, we know that, you know, and that's just the way it is, unfortunately, but they're not even doing it legally, that's the issue that we have with it, when they send the heavies, because usually they're like goons coming to the door, like, you know, just trying to entice people, how should people react when they're knocking at the door, trying to scare people into paying? Well, the thing is, there's only really one or two companies that will do that, and you have to remember that there's a big difference between a debt collector and an authorised, like, a court officer that's actually got a legal obligation and duty to go and collect on a court order debt, there's a big difference, like debt collectors, right, so if you can't pay a credit card, or you're falling out with your credit card, you're arguing over something, so they sell it to a debt collector, the debt collector's got no right to come and ask and be knocking on your door, and no reason to, no right to, now if only a couple of companies will send, they'll hire an outsource company to go and do it for them, and that company will come and knock on the door, I mean, my advice would be like, do not answer the door whatsoever, you've got nothing to do with them, they've got no contract with you, they've got no, like, legal, executed assignment for them to be knocking on your door, so I would just completely and utterly ignore them, they've got no right to be there whatsoever, we've had a few phone calls that people have been really pestered by them, we've rang them up, put them in their place, and literally straight away they've stopped, they're just pushing their own luck, I mean, if you've gone into, if you've ignored everything, for instance, few people that I know that unfortunately have, because other people say, oh, just ignore everything, it goes away, that doesn't ever happen, and they've ended up getting a court order, now, if you get what they call a county court judgment, a CCJ, the debt collector can then apply for a high court writ, so all they do is pay a few more pounds, get a high court writ, and then you can have an official high court enforcement officer, or a high court enforcement agent, which do have the power to come knocking on your door, and you don't want them to get that far, there's so many, I mean, it does take quite a while to get to that, but you don't need to, there's just so many other things that you can actually do to stop all that before it happens, I mean, let's put it this way, just say, right, you don't want to go and fight them, as in, like, you know, do all the paperwork, and go and take them into court, and challenge them, and, you know, you haven't got it in you to go through all of that, and I'm not saying it's easy, so I totally get why somebody would be worried about it, feel stressed about it, and wouldn't want to put themselves through that, a lot of people, like, just haven't got the mental health ready to face all that stress, but you can go, and we call it the fair pay, as in, you pay fairly, the fair pay negotiation system that we have in our school group, I've just changed it, and launched it all, and created an AI agent to help you do this as well, so it's all done, again, using their rules, using their regulations called the FCA, the Financial Conduct Authority, follow their regulations, they have to give you what's called forbearance, and, you know, for anyone who's in hardship, so we call them a hardship notice, where you literally explain, I can't afford to pay this, or I'm having hardship, vulnerable person notice going in, a lot of people have ended up through COVID, unemployment, running, like, closing the business because of, like, what's happened in the last few years because of COVID, it's still affecting millions of people today, so they end up for no fault of their own, you know, a lot of people, oh, we shouldn't get in debt, it's not always as easy as that, and now, if you're running a business, all businesses run with, like, debts coming and going, and it's like a balance sheet, but then, if one end of it stops, and the debt's still there, then you're stuck with it, you know, so you've got to end up, like, just dealing with these positions, but this, actually, using these fair pay systems, what happens is that they will stop the phone calls, the texts, the emails, the letters, or, you know, anybody knocking on the door, right, wanting to, they could stop all that completely, and they have to stop it through the FCA, you know, guidelines, so all you do is, we have all of the paperwork correct, it's now been trained and put inside of the actual AI agent, so when you go into the group, you can go on to the fair pay classroom, they call them classrooms, and inside, there's a link, takes you into our agent, and you just tell it where you are, what's happened, where are you up to, and the good thing is, we've designed it so that you don't have to give them any ID, you don't have to give them any personal details, there's no private information, nothing, so you just tell them what's happened, and they will actually create the correct paperwork for you at the stage you're at, and then you just change it to put your name and address in, because that's your private information, so you don't have to go and give anything, we don't collect any data or anything, there's no GDPR effects on ours whatsoever, it's just literally a blank form it creates, you put your name and address in it and send it off to the bank or the debt collector, whoever it is that you're involved with, and then they have to follow these guidelines and protocol, and then it stops all of the actual stress, you know, of dealing with debt collectors, and you know, everything that goes along with that, and the worry, and you know, I know what it's like, I've been there, we've all been there, yeah, because I remember, because we did cover when you had it as the document before, and I, like, I went in and I'd looked at it, and it's fantastic, but now the fact that you've got the AI, that's brilliant, just curious, because sometimes the way they do it, they have like a call centre for people for the debt, and they get them to kind of agree a certain amount, and sometimes people think, all right, I have to pay the 10,000, because sometimes the way, the trickery with words, they'll tell them, hey, we're going to end up taking your house, or we're going to do this, we're going to do that, and people just, you know, they're in a bad place, so they're not thinking straight. If somebody has agreed to an amount, can that be changed? Can they actually go back in that, or are they stuck with that? Oh, no, you definitely, definitely, you can change that, it's a renegotiation, that's all it is, so, you know, if you've been on the phone, you know, and you've arranged something on the phone, it's in a stressful position anyway, and like you said, you're not going to be thinking, right, you might just, like, just to get out of that phone call and feeling the stress, you can say, yeah, I'll agree, I'll pay, you know, so you're going to end up paying, and you just can't afford to pay it, and you're suffering, and your family's suffering, you can do, right, go in, put this into the agent, it'll actually recognize what level you're at, it will create the notices for you, and it'll send, and it'll freeze it all, it'll freeze the interest, it'll freeze the calls, it'll stop the hassle, so it gets, helps you with your mental health anyway, gets rid of all the stress, then the next part of it is, right, what you're going to do is, it'll help you create an income and expenditure sheet to send into them, so they're actually getting you with an official sheet, saying, well, this is my disposable income, so here is the offer, you know, and we would be, easily be able to afford two pound a month, and, you know, people think, oh, they're never going to do that, they do that regularly, because that is still an asset to them, this is what you have to, like, get in your head, if you're paying a pound, two pound a month, and it's a 10 pound, 10,000 pound debt, that to them is still a 10,000 pound asset, so they will happily agree, because they're keeping the asset, you're paying, so they know it's alive, it can never go a statute barred, so it's kind of like, you know, you're playing poker with them, you know, and it's like going backwards and forwards, getting to a level that you're happy with, but here's the thing, though, and this is the way we actually show and teach and share, right, you get here in there, and you say it is 10,000 pound, and you're paying a pound a month, they know that they've got the asset, so they're not going to hassle you, right, now, after the 12 months, what we're saying is, right, if you were paying 200 pound a month, right, so now you're actually only paying a pound, don't go and start thinking, right, I can go out now, I can go and get down and, you know, buy new shoes and do whatever I want, you know, or even getting, like, another debt, and I can pay that one off, no, right, you've got 200 pound, even just 50% of it, put 50% of it aside every month, so at the end of, you know, your 12 months, you've got, like, 1,200 quid, now, you could actually then go back to them and say, look, you know, I've been paying pound a month for 12 months, here I am, you know, still owe the 10,000, you know, but I'm willing to make a one-off payment, and obviously, we negotiated, so we'll only agree to do this if it wipes the debt completely, gets rid of any bad record on the credit file, and everything's gone, and you've accepted and closed it 100% completely. And just on that, what I said with a credit card, full and final settlement is what I wrote, I had 42 grand, and I got it for 12 grand when I went through all the crap, and I was kind of, people are a suck, I mean, if I knew now, I wouldn't have paid that much, but yeah, I got 30 grand written off, but that's what I wrote, full and final settlement.

Yeah, and you know, like, it's just, and it's still a great deal, isn't it, but you could have probably got it for way less, you know, you could have probably got it for 4,000, you know, I've seen them take as low as 5% of the whole balance, so, you know, we have seen, through some of the notices that we've sent as well, which, you know, it explains the hardship, it explains the vulnerability side of it, and a couple of them just, what is it, still June, yeah, this month, all right, and one of them, I know, was nearly five grand, closed it, just don't need to pay anything back, you know, it was the same thing, the vulnerability, and showing them the hardship notice, and explaining the situation, so that, you know, we can come to an arrangement, and obviously, at that, with it being vulnerable, you know, they actually just wiped it off completely. Now, again, let's go back to that, because a lot of people say, I can't say I'm vulnerable, because I can't prove it, you know, people that got suffering from mental health, but they haven't actually went and got, say, a prescription, or been to the doctor, or anything like that, you don't have to go and give them your medical history, because that's private anyway, all you have to say is, well, look, I'm unemployed, I lost my job, I'm in a vulnerable position, I'm feeling it, my mental health's stressed, and you are, you know, it doesn't matter what level you're at, you're stressed out about it, so there, it's affecting your mental health, that's the term, that's the literal explanation of mental health, I'm stressed out because of this debt, so I'm in a vulnerable position, so you are telling, they're not going to turn around and say, oh, well, I want to get your full prescription, I want to see what medicine you're on, I need to get your doctor's report, they're not allowed to ask for that, that's all private GDPR information, so, you know, and, like, there's a proof in it, a couple of them, just in the last six weeks, wiped off completely, and a lot more of them just are paying, like, a pound a month, and are hopefully, they're doing what we teach them, and putting some back, and then at the end of the 12 months, and this is the good thing, really good thing, right, if they're doing a full and final settlement, as you say, close it down, get rid of any default, like, reporting on the credit file, so it literally cleans your credit file as well, so all you do, make a low payment, so you, like, offer them, I mean, I would always go and say, look, why not offer 5%, right, and then they say, oh, no, that's too low, you can always increase, like, you know, don't go in at the higher, and then try it, because I'll never go down, you know, you can always edge it up a little bit, so go in for 5%, so we'll close it, like, here we've got, like, there's a lump sum, you know, you have to take it now, because it's going to go away, you know, this is short-term relief for me, and work it that way, because they're still getting their money, remember, they've bought it for pennies, so they're still making huge profits, but it's, like, obviously way better for you mentally, and physically, and as well as financially, because you're just going to get it all finished, and over, and done with, and get on with the rest of your life then, so, yeah, we launched that, by the way, just literally finished it yesterday, I had one version, and I just had to keep re-jigging it to make it more powerful, so, that's fantastic, and just curious, because, I mean, there's obviously, there's professional kind of people that just borrow, borrow, and no intention of paying it back, but when there's genuine cases, like someone losing their job, or their business being closed, because people are attacked from all directions, caused by the government, caused by the city, and everything, when there's children involved, I mean, it's, like, they don't care about that, like, they're, you know, if there's young kids there, and there is stress involved, and that's just being passed on, the house is then just full of stress, like, they don't take things like that into account, which, when it's a genuine case, it, like, there should, there should be rules in place to protect the family. Well, there is, that's the thing, but because people don't think that way, they don't investigate it, research it, and then use it, but there is very strict guidelines and rules in place under the FCA guidelines, so I'm talking, obviously, about, you know, the UK, so anywhere that's affected in the UK with that, and they're a regulated debt collector, or a bank, financial institution, and they're regulated under the FCA, so it's, like, consumer debt, you know, it's, like, credit cards, loans, catalogs, you know, payday loans, anything like that, then there is regulations there, and if there is a hardship, and you've got vulnerable people involved, even if it's, like, children, because, obviously, you're looking after them, and on the income and expenditure sheet, you put them down as your dependents, so it's showing the vulnerability, then, yeah, they have to stop, they have to, and we, you know, but you have to know how to do it, you know, you have to make sure that, because a lot of the times, what they'll do is they'll test you, the same as a lot of them all the time, no matter what you say, they'll test you and say, you know, oh, well, we can't do that, yeah, and ignore it, so you know, then have to know how to actually up it to the next level, yeah, I'm not saying threaten them, just say, look, you know, we're going to have to speak to the FCA, and we're going to have to speak to the ICO, Financial Conduct Authority, and the Information Commissioner's Office, because you're breaching these regulations and guidelines, so we're going to have to inform them if we can't work together, I mean, that's quite, that's not a threat, is it, that's quite, you know, polite and everything, but you're informing them, you know your rights, that's the thing, so all it is, is that you know your rights, and they think, unfortunately, truthfully, that most people don't, and that they'll just get into even more trouble, and panicking, and end up like losing things, and you know, I've seen so many people end up, because they didn't do anything, in a position where they're getting charges put on their property, on the land registry, for a debt, for a credit card, and you don't need to let it go that far, you can handle everything, as long as you do take some action, and stop it getting to such a disastrous conclusion, you know, it's hard to get them off, once you get on.

The thing is, once you get a registered letter, you have to respond, because you can claim you didn't get the other ones, but when it's registered, and you've got the letter, you can't ignore it, and I know people, they just think, I'll ignore it, because it's classed as acceptance, if you don't respond, when you've received a registered letter, people don't realize that, and you have to respond, doesn't mean that you have to agree with what they've wrote, you know, there's ways of writing back to them, but yeah, that's why they get in more trouble. Yeah, but there is, unfortunately, as well, there's quite a lot of people, groups even, that will say, oh just ignore them, and they'll say, oh no, we ignore everything, and it's not you, it's your straw man name, right, but what on earth does that mean, you know, we know what the full capital name is, we know what it means, we know what it's used, it is your person, as we call it, oh are you doing that to my person, because it's not you, it's your person, right, but who is it that's on the land registry, that owns your house, who is the bank account, that's like running the bank account, it's not you, it's your straw man, so it is your full capital name, so yeah, all right, so like the living, like, you know, you can wander off into the sunset, but they're going to freeze your bank accounts, right, they're going to, like, do an arrestment of earnings, because it's a full capital name, they're going to put, like, charges on the land register, so, and you know what I mean, yeah, all right, yeah, we know what you're trying to get at, but doesn't it make it any easier by saying, oh that's not you, that's your straw man, yeah, well, it's a straw man, it's the one that's linked to the legal system, it's going to take all the finances, but it's the living one, that's the one that's got to eat, yeah, so it's got to be, have a bit more sense about it, you can't just turn around and say, oh it's not me, it's not my legal name, so I don't care, I'm alive, no, you won't be for long, you know, if you can't eat any food, because it took all your money off, yeah, they don't care, it doesn't matter if you have a child or anything, I've had it, they've emptied my accounts, lots of times, and it's like, and a lot of the times it's fraudulent, and everything that they're doing, you don't get it back, I mean, you can fight tooth and nail, once they take it off you, so the trick is to actually protect yourself, that they never get to take it, and by ignoring them, that's how they do it, yeah, just never ignore, as too many people say that, oh, just ignore them, you don't, you know, it'll go away, you know, it doesn't go away, it just gets worse and worse, and the thing is, if you know how to actually deal with it, you can stop it all very quickly, and sometimes you can actually do it there, and you end up either paying very little or nothing, but you have to act, you know, you can't, you can't just ignore it, because it'll just come piling on top of you, the whole system is created for control, right, whatever you think, you know, I mean, I've always said the same, like it's a, it's a prison planner, we'll be sent here as punishment, and it's never going to get better, right, there isn't anyone coming to rescue you, because you've been put here, you know, so you've been put there to learn how to cope with it, or just suffer the consequences, so you have to learn how to play a better game, you have to learn how to play checkmate the matrix, and that's it, you know, and then you deal with the five pillars, we call it the five pillars of control, that the pillars hold up the ceiling or the roof of like the temple of tyranny, and until you stop allowing the temple of tyranny to actually like completely control you, you're always going to be in that mess, you've got to learn how to do things, so like the pillars you've got, like the first one, well it's not, I don't know if it'd be a first one, but like think of what controls you, your finances, right, so your own, your income, right, you want to call it your job, right, job, just over broke, so they've got you in a job that you're working 12, 15 hours, you know, whatever it is under there, you just about make it every month, and then you're back to the, got no money left, you've just about paid all your bills, and then you're back to the beginning, and then your boss can stop it at any time they want, right, oh we don't need you anymore, oh AI's come, get out, right, it's like that, that's that pillar of control, they control you by your job, which is what they want you, like, you know, to be, teach you all the ways from little kids now, right, you've got to go to school for all that time, because you've got to be used to getting out the house, because you're going to have to be a good worker, all of these education systems was all invented by the Rockefellers, so they could control all of the workers to go and work in the factories, it's exactly the same, it's just slavery, that's all it is, you know, and they control it, and then when they're actually earning it, remembering they're taking their share as well, before you get it, they call it tax, right, but it's, they're taking their, oh, if you're working and we want some of you, as well as your time, but taking some of you, so there's your pillar of control, and then the next one from there, what do you do with your money, well, you want to go and buy some food, right, well, they, now they've got it so that everyone, where do you go, the food, the supermarket, they're all going in the supermarket to buy these toxic products that they call food, right, but that's all controlled, they can stop it, the distribution, at the drop of a hat, right, no, they're not getting on that, and they'll blame, oh, there's the straight and home moves, we can't get any food in there now, because the fertilizer's all gone, and the oil is too expensive, so the supermarkets are closed, they'll tell you when and where, I mean, you know, look back at COVID, there was people fighting in the aisles over toilet roll, right, so if you can get that bad over wiping your arse, what's it going to be like when you can't feed yourself, you know, you'll see some riots then, I'll tell you, so, you know, that's why we're showing, and building up all, and ready to launch the classroom, and showing them how we've been fighting hard to learn how to grow our own food, and trying hard to, like, you know, control that system, so you're not, like, dependent on them 100% for the food, and the water, so we're collecting the water, right, we've got distillers, and filters to cleanse the water, you know, so food and water we're taking care of, that's all to do with the pillars of control that hold up the temple of tyranny over your head, so you've got to learn how to deal with those systems, which again includes, you said it, the banking system, so they can actually close your bank account, take everything out at any time, the law actually says, once you've made that deposit, given it to the bank, it's theirs, it's not yours, and there's no law that says they have to give you it back, that's why they just shut them, so you had a hundred grand, well you aren't anymore, it's gone, so that's why we actually promote blockchain banking, where you, and then the custodian of your own finances, the bank don't control it, it's a blockchain bank, but it's still a bank account, right, so there's, I mean, can you guarantee it's safe, no, but it's safer than that. Well, what you can do is you can put it onto your own wallet, like a ledger or something like that, and then just transfer it when you need, because a lot of the, you know, like Coinbase, Binance, and all these, I don't trust any of them, just by seeing the way they're doing it, you know, it's all about KYC, and it's like, you know, get your bank details, get your passport, your personal details, so it's all going to big brother, so they're controlling everything to see what you're doing, and like, I'm not sure that we ever did discuss this, but there was like, one guy was caught for tax evasion because of his club card in a supermarket, because they were saying, hey, you're spending more than what you're showing, so everything is tracked, and like, even loads of people, nobody knows about it until it happens to them, but when your money is empty, like they did in Cyprus, wasn't it, and then in Greece, there was a limit to what you could take out, like 50 bucks a day or something like that, and that's when people realize, oh, it's not my money, and even when you look at the insurance, some of them is, some countries, 50,000, and others 100,000, so if you have a million in your bank, and it goes belly up, you only get 100,000, and good luck getting that 100,000, because you think that actually someone would pay out the government, because anytime I've seen anything that's connected with like insurance, I never see them paying out, they always have trickery around it, so you're not really protected, so you're going to end up having it in a few places, and as you say, the blockchain, like there's risks involved as well, but when you start understanding, but I know that there's companies that are trying to do it now, like with the card, that you can use it like, you know, Revolut card and stuff like that, but it's not available in all the different countries, but when they simplify it, that's when it becomes better, that you can just go tap your card like you normally do, but it's coming from your blockchain, you know, so you can just tap, top it up as you need, it can be in your cold wallet, nobody can ever touch it, when it's in your cold wallet, you just transfer, you know, whatever you're, just say you're spending three grand a month, you just transfer your three grand, and then just use it like that, and if you've, to buy stuff online, you have a number that you can do it, because sometimes if you're not using in their system, unfortunately, yeah, most of the things that you're doing, even say the school, you have to pay everything, yeah, blockchain, okay, blockchain debit card, right, just use that, go in, tap it, and it comes out of the blockchain, and what one, what's the name of that one, truly or something, isn't it, trustify, trustify, okay, yeah, so again, you know, it's just, it's just a debit card, so it's not like a credit, or yeah, it's your own money, your own money, just tap it, and you know, and it's all going, and then the thing is, like you say, because it's on the blockchain, like the same as your wallet, it's, that's basically what it is as a wallet, but they're calling it a bank, so you know, you are the custodian of your own finances, then, or your own crypto, if that was what you're talking about, so you know, yeah, it's just, if I'm gonna lose it, I'd rather lose it there, than have it just like, because I put it purposely into the bank, and the bank just shut everyone down, because they decided to, you know, or if you want to buy something, it's like, what you want, your mother wouldn't ask you that, like, what, what you want to buy it for, you know, and you have to declare why you're taking out your own money, I mean, that's insane, that, that even exists, I know, isn't it, just, you want to take some money out, why, what do you want it for, and what are you going to do with it, like, what's it going to do you, it's like, it's crazy, but it's a fact, I mean, the amount of stories that I've, I've heard, you know, of people saying that, and some of it's only, like, like, like, four or five grand, so they're asking for a hundred, four or five grand, oh, what do you want that for, you know, it's, if you're making any sort of, like, transfers, or anything else, it can be the same, you know, apart from if you, I bet you, I'd like to know, if it's a transfer to, to IRS, or HMRC, I bet that goes through easily, isn't it funny, isn't it, that every time you have to do something, but, like, because I have lots of different people working on different things, sometimes I'm spending an hour trying to organise the payment, it's like, even using Payoneer, it should be that, you just send it, they decide, okay, put in your debit card, they charge you the three and a half percent, and you decide, either they pay it, or you pay it, and other times, it's just giving you, like, all this bank details, which is, like, so much time to do it, and, like, I mean, I talk to people now, like, there's one guy, a big financial guy, he's done deals worth in the billions, and even he has hassle doing the transfer sometimes, and, like, so we're all doing it, all they're doing is making us busy fools, because we have to go through all this kind of stuff, and, you know, like even, say, the PayPal, I mean, I have a serious pet peeve with that, like, you know, it's like, I have money in one account, but not another, and I can't link it, they won't let me use the other one, and then when I'm doing the exchange, I have money in dollars, but then there's, when I'm trying to transfer it to my own accounts, it says euro, I can't change it to dollars, then they're charging me three and a half, four percent for that, if somebody pays me in a different currency, they're charging me for, when, and they're taking money off the person, and sometimes, I say, I pay the fees, they still charge them, even though they shouldn't, they're making 10 percent plus, and people just kind of accept it, and then there's Vemo, that's owned by PayPal, you know, it's like, it is such scumminess, the way that it's done, and most people are just kind of thinking it's great, and it's not, it's like, Wwise and Revolut are very good, so can you tell me more about the one that you're using there now, is there much, like, what hassle is needed, and setting it up, and can you use it for putting it in, like, a normal debit card, and take out cash, because sometimes you have to pay, you know, if you're going to, say, a food truck, or something like that, or a farm, or, you know, you're paying cash, can you take out cash as well with them? Do you know what, I do not know, I've never tried, I bet you can though, because it's just a debit card, the same, but I've never actually tried, or even thought about it, so I'll have to check, but what it is, it's the, it was very straight, I've got two, I have the personal one, and the business one, and the business one was like, it was a smaller group, and they were doing it as an experiment to make sure, how can we fix any bugs, or, you know, so, but it's been going very well, and everything's been fine, so they're going to probably launch it, like, across everyone now, but the personal one, same, money going in, money coming out, it's never an issue, never a problem, you know, but it's always just being a debit card, I've never thought about anything else, you know, so, I just hope you take it well.

You can, like, with, when you have money in the blockchain, you can, I don't know, do you have them in the UK, but here, there's Bitcoin machines, but they do a few different ones, and then you do USDT, so you basically put it, and it gives you the code, and then you go back 10, 15 minutes later, scan the code, and out comes the cash, you know, the rate already, but they're charging about 4%, I've heard that sometimes, some countries up to 8%, which is insane, but for, it's, you know, it's, I mean, you're getting your cash out, and with a debit card, some machines with the ATMs don't charge anything, and others are charging, like, this one here, not in the supermarket, because there was one just up the road, and they've just taken it out, you know, the hole in the wall, as we call them, or a drink link, so it's gone, but the one in the supermarket, like, if you're taking, say, 50 bucks, like, say, euro, but it's in zloty, like, they're charging you, like, 10%, and you're like, no way am I paying that, you know, it's like, but some, but most people, I see people using it the whole time, and they're like, why are people using things like that, they're just taking their money, so, yeah, but with the ATM, you can do that, but it would be good if you can use that card, and is that an English company, truly, is it, or trustify? Trustify, yeah, trusty, t-r-u, like, trust, and then f-y on the end, trusty, and f-y on the end, it's, I don't know, I mean, everybody that I've dealt with has been from Australia, so, you know, I have no idea, but I know it's worldwide, and you can get, like, euro bank accounts, you can get dollar bank accounts, and I'm sure, you know, they're actually slowly opening up which currency you can have them in, so, you know, it's been slowly, but surely, as it's been getting better and developing, so, definitely worth a check out, anyway, for sure. So, like, one of the things I want to talk is, it's like, all the trickery with words, acts, and statutes, and all this, because they're always trying to catch you into things, I mean, act acting, and a statue according to this, like, what's the best way, because, I mean, I'm reading different books, and I'm getting in this, like, it just takes a while to do it, but people are constantly being tricked into having to pay fines, and having to do something, just on the way the things are worded, and how they're actually having the conversation with them, they get them into, like, I mean, I don't know, is your plan long-term for helping with that with the AI, because it's all just trickery how they actually do it, like, you know, simple things like, do you understand, you know, which means you stand under them, and I, like, I was one recently, it's like, another way people say, make a citizen's arrest, and if you see a police officer doing something dodgy, you go, all right, we're not alone this, we're going to make a citizen's arrest, by declaring that it's citizen, you're under the police officer straight away, so you can't even say that, you have to, kind of, it's like, sovereign man arrest, and every, like, it's, it's sad that we have to try to think, even, say, property for children, you know, you can't say they're my children, or my kids, like, every single thing was orchestrated in a way that people think it means one thing, but it means another, and just by getting caught to say a certain word, that's why you're under them, like, the judge, or police officer, and everything, every single thing, what's the best way to, kind of, navigate that? Well, you know what, it is, the best way is, is to, like, study it, is literally, you have to research it, so we've got, like, quite a lot of information like that in the group, checkmate the matrix, but, like, so apologies for that, so apparently, all my memory was used up, so I had to move things around, so sorry for the little interruption when we were doing it, and yeah, Peter, in fairness to him, yeah, no problem at all, so, but once again, apologies. Yeah, no worries at all.

So, I don't know, did we discuss it, but, like, the Lyme, you know, Lyme disease, and then, like, because what I had heard, it was actually created in a town called Lyme, and orchestrated, but now they're doing the meat one as well, and you see all, like, the ticks covering animals, and apparently, what it is, is that you get bitten by a certain tick, which they've mentioned on the World Economic Forum, or Davis, or one of these places where they just decide to ruin the world, that, yeah, once you get bitten by these ones, that you can't eat meat anymore, which, in turn, goes along with their agenda of lab-grown meat. Yeah, have you heard that as well? I have not heard that at all, but, I mean, that wouldn't surprise me, but, you know, talking about, just going there about the ticks, because, you know, I mean, we've had, like, dogs for, like, 20 years or whatever, you know, and just, like, when we're in Spain, you know, they're always pushing for, like, the flea and tick treatments to put on the dogs, especially over there, because they had something called, like, Leishmania, which was, like, really horrendous for the dog. Now, like, here, we never ever had a problem, but, like, once in a while, we would find a tick, you know, it's an impossibility to go out and never ever get one going through bushes and things like that with your dogs, but, you know, all we ever use is all-natural, you know, like, herbal and essential oils and things like that to prevent, and vinegar and things like that.

We don't put any chemicals on them whatsoever, you know, but it's just, again, never ever had a problem where we do now and again hear a lot of people saying, oh, there's loads of ticks about this time of year, can't get rid of ticks and everything like that. I mean, they're horrible things, you know, definitely. Like, they have 1,500 eggs.

When I heard that, I was like, a tick? Yeah. Like, I mean, talking about multiplying, that's incredible. Like, bats eat them, I believe, and there's some things that are eating them, but, yeah, that's why you just saw many of them.

Bats eat them? I think bats eat them, yeah. Oh, good. We've got lots of bats around here, then.

Yeah, I quite like watching the bats in the evening, just not when it's going dusky, you know, it's not quite dark, and they'll come out, and I don't know where they live, but they're, like, flying all over the back garden and everything. It's great. I love watching them.

So, like, it's not like a bird where they'll fly in the land. It's like, go then. It's like a 90 degree turn straight away.

Like, how the hell did you do that? It's quite something else. But, oh, yeah, I'll get them. I'll get them to come and eat all of them, the horrible disgusting things.

But, you know, like, up, like, here, we live in, we can actually see the Cheviot Hills through this window here, the border of England and Scotland, and right on there, in the middle of the Cheviot Hills, they've got a special ancient breed of cattle. It's completely wild. They have nothing to do with human intervention whatsoever, and a couple of years ago, we went up and had a visit with them.

You've got to go in a special little truck thing, and you get the binoculars, you know, you can't go too close to them. I mean, they are wild, and some of them have got great big horns and stuff like that. And, you know, you get to watch them, and they ask all the questions about what goes on and everything.

I just said to them, like, well, what happens when one of them dies? What do you do then? Because, you know, they're going to live for so long, they're going to die. And he went, well, generally, they'll just go and bury it somewhere where it's out of the way. So, they'll wait until the rest of the cattle have cleared, they'll take it, and, you know, when the rest of them aren't there, and they'll bury it away from everything, and it'll just naturally, you know, decompose under the earth and everything like that.

So, it's fine. He said, now and again, though, what they'll do is, like, every number is, like, random. They say, well, let's go and test this one, just to make sure, you know, we know what's going on.

And he said, never at any time, and they've been there for thousands of years here. They don't even really know why they're there. Like, you know, why is it they're only here? You know, they're white, and they've got inside, they've got the big red ears, and just wild Northumbrian cattle.

And they've got records of them going back way past everything they got, and they're still there, and they're actually enclosed. They can't mix in with any domestic, you know, cows or anything. Not allowed.

They've got big fences all the way around. They let them wander wherever. There's three different herds that will stick, like, families, and they, you know, so they don't mix.

They don't go, like, into a massive, really big group. There's the three different... It's amazing. It's a huge area over the Cheviot Hills.

And he just said it's amazing. This is what he's saying. This guy was in charge of it and knew everything about it.

He said that they always do these autopsies, you know, just randomly, oh, we'll best do one now because we haven't done one for a while. Never, ever have any kind of worry about ticks. You know, these are things, you know, I mean, there's other animals.

You could see them. We've seen foxes walking. We've seen badgers.

There was deer. So there's other animals, you know, and obviously birds everywhere as well. He said that never, ever, no problem ever with ticks.

It's like no infestations with ticks, you know, nothing like we don't get too many fleas on them or anything. You know, we go in and there's no, like, or they've died from. It's just old age or a fight.

Some of them do, you know, because they're wild animals and they want to be dominant over. I said a lot of time that it's noisy rather than like death. But, you know, they do have horns and they do have to fight and one of them will get a bad injury and die of it.

So it does happen. But there's no illness in them. You know, when they're born, they're left alone to, you know, it says like one in a hundred, maybe stillborn or die straight away or just it is what it is.

But the herd are left, they're not allowed to go and have a vet. The vets don't go and they don't get any injections, don't get any vaccination, get nothing. Right.

And they're all really healthy because they're not interfered with whatsoever. Just that reminds me of like, you know, we've seen that about like the ticks, you know, and if we take that, you know, like why on earth would you want to worry and interfere with a wild animal anyway? You know, it's it's there, it's they've enclosed it so it can't intrude on any other herds and the other herds can't intrude on it. So it's literally, it's not in the food chain.

Right. So it's not going to get used for food. So they're actually, what he says, the guy, he said, that's why they're a lot smaller than what you'll see as a cow or a bull, because they're just bred to get fat.

They're injected to get fat and, you know, we'll own them as big as possible. So it's not far off like lab grown meat really anyway. You know, that's why they're making them huge.

These are actually quite slim and they're quite, you know, sleek and fast because they have to be if they're getting into like, you know, the show off, you know, and they dig these big holes to call them. I can't remember what we call them. I can't remember now, but it was, it was why they do it.

And it's to show how good they are. And they do it with the horns and the bigger the hole, the more the females like them, you know what I mean? Funny, strange thing, but there you go. And it just like reminds me and take to the next one, you know, like, have you ever heard of the Dartmoor ponies and what they want them to do to them? I mean, they are another wild species.

They've been there for thousands of years. Just why they're not, they're not anyone's they're just roaming the moors in Dartmoor and this like, Summic England, Nature England or whatever, they want to go and kill them all. They say, oh, we shouldn't have them in there.

You know, it's the people you shouldn't have in there. Why don't we go and kill a few more of them? Right. But like, it's like they want to go and call them and say, well, you know, there's too much grass.

We should have a different, instead of just grass. The insanity of the human species is just beyond comprehension. In reality, there's a wild bunch of wild animals.

I mean, I know that they do certain things in America as well with the wild horses. They still chase the wild horses and kill most of the wild horses. I was reading that there was a guy who is not famous, but he's very well known on animal welfare in America.

And he actually was pushed to get that Cody something or other prosecuted for killing the wolf up in America, you know, where he ran it over with his snowmobile and then tortured it to death. You know, pleasant guy took it into a bar with its mouth all taped up so it couldn't, you know, escape or anything and tortured it to death in front of everyone. And they're all laughing, you know.

I wonder what goes on in people's heads when they do stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah.

But I mean, that guy there, he was talking about how bad it was and chasing the horses and literally chased them until they dropped down dead, by the way, instead of shooting them if you needed to do it, you know. But yeah, and that's what they want to do. Round up all these ponies on Dartmoor in England and kill them all.

And they think that that's acceptable. And that we're all right. No problem.

You know, it's like, you know, you were talking about no injections are like because the other cows are so big because they're giving them growth hormones. They're giving the chickens. I mean, if you look at the chickens from the 60s to now, it's like four times the size, but that's all going into us because we're eating that food.

I mean, they even like I see them with fish. Even the fish, they have production lines where it's just jabbing. The chickens, the minute they're out, jab, jab, jab.

They're just born, jab, jab, jab. Everything is like that. And it's like, that's going into us.

And then regarding the ticks, like I remember a guy that I know, and he was getting the jab for the ticks. I'm like, what? You know what they've done with COVID. Do you actually trust that? I know.

And people go away getting things, thinking this is going to help us. And now there's probably cancer ones and everything that they go, oh, you prevent it. All you're doing is you're giving it to yourself.

You know, they're making it look like this is going to prevent you. And like, well, with, with animals, I mean, what they were doing is like, they're training people thinking you need to give a job every year with the cats and everything. And they won't take them into the animals home.

So if you were going on holidays, you had to get them jabbed. Like, and like I had a dog lasted 16 years. He wasn't getting jabbed.

You know, where's a lot of them? No, they don't last 10 years. You see them because every year they're getting one or two as well as a chip, which is a frequency inside them. Yeah.

I know. And people don't even think, but they basically condition us to think that's normal. I know they're doing it to the humans and they're going along with it.

Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's the pets dish.

That's ridiculous. I was talking about this the other day, actually, and just saying, well, remember when I was a kid and we had a dog, a little springer Spaniel, and there wasn't, there wasn't any full-time vets anywhere. The village where we were, it would, a vet would go there once a week and just have an office.

Like what in this little, it was in the post office, funny enough. I don't know why it was in the post office. Maybe they had a spare room and he was only in there once a week and he could go make an appointment.

I think he didn't even make an appointment, just knocked on the door and said, can we come in? You know? But now, like you said, it's like, you know, you've got to have your passports for your dog and it's like, got to have all the injections and proven if you, you know, if you don't want to do it, you don't want to do it. But like you've said, if you want to, not that I would, but if you want to put your dog in a kennel, I would look after my dog for a week or two weeks. I'm going on holiday.

They won't have them. No, no. I have to have like a kennel cough, right? Which is not, it's not an injection.

You actually sniff it, the dog sniff it, sort of squirt it up their nose, you know, and, and, but they also have to have the list of all the different like yearly inoculations or whatever it is they're called, you know, but, and they just won't, they won't accept them. So. And the thing is like, it was the same.

I mean, when we grew up, I don't remember any places with vets that probably was like, but there was one in the city kind of city kind of place, but there wasn't that one. No, they're everywhere. There's one across the road from me.

It's full, just cause I go for a walk every day. There's clients constantly. You see the car park is full and just constantly going in there.

So why are animals so sick so often? Yeah, exactly. The food is shite obviously, but the chip I believe is doing it and all the jobs that they're doing and they're making it look like, I mean, I've come across like lots, just get dogs getting epileptic fates and getting, and they think, oh, that's just, you're just unlucky. Like, you know, you know, you have to be very careful when you're, when you're going to these places, you know, you can get like a super powerful magnet and it's in a little cube.

It's not a cube. What do you call it? Like a cone, right? So it's like a little cup like that. And you can hold it over something like a chip that's been put in a dog's neck and you can hold it over it and just sit.

So the dog will come and sit on your knee. You could just put like the magnet on without worrying them. So they don't know what you're doing.

Just pretend you're stroking them and just hold it on there and it completely gets rid of it. Oh brilliant. Okay.

You know, and we know that, you know, people, I'll just say, we know people that have done it and then tested it with the machine. Cause you can get the machines to get, to read the chip numbers, you know, so you know whose dog it is and you know, it's gone, you know, so just go and put the, the, the little, you can get them. I can't remember the name of the woman.

She makes them and it's for real. And this is for pain. So if you've got a sore shoulder, you put the magnet on and hold it.

I mean, magnetic therapy, you've heard of that before. It's like, you know, quite well known, but you can hold that over there and it will like get rid of the chip. Just imagine the, you know, you don't, you can't put your phone right.

Or a laptop or a computer near a powerful battery because it'll just kill it, won't it? Right. So, you know, but this does the same with the chip. So you can put that on there, you know, if you don't want the dog to have it in there and get rid of it that way, you know, it'll, it'll, it'll get rid of it for you.

So, cause you had mentioned there about the dogs that they were giving them like, you know, the nasal kind of vaccines or whatever they're doing the same. And I mean, I'm not sure unless it happened internationally, but I know it's happening in the UK. They're giving the kids the nasal vaccines and they're not even telling the parents they're just going in and doing it.

So what's the best way for the parents? Like, do they have to have a documentation? This is your never to do this. Like what, what, what process should they do to prevent that from happening? So homeschooling, definitely. Yeah.

You know, it's just, uh, yeah, I mean, that's in reality and they're trying to make it harder and harder and harder for, for like, to do homeschooling. Um, you know, it's just absolutely ridiculous, but yeah, the, the, the, but you know, if, if you can't do homeschooling, then, you know, I would make sure that you had notices, uh, that you can present, say every, every term, right. And say, hand these notices into the head, uh, whatever the head teacher.

And also, you know, like the, the actual, I don't know if you have one school teacher or different for it. I don't know. Um, so make sure that that's done, uh, and, and it stays point blank, but you're going to have to really educate and, and share knowledge with, with, with your own, um, offspring and about like, you know, you don't need or want any of those things.

Cause like you said, they don't go and send a letter anymore and say, oh, well, they're all going to have this thing or whatever. They just do it. Um, you know, I mean, I'm not going to say, but like this, this, cause we were running, obviously the martial arts school.

So all the kids were coming in and they would tell us what's been going on and tell us, oh yeah, we've all had the, the flu, uh, job. No, I really want, why you have that? Like, you know, and that was the spray. They spray it up the nose, but I've had parents coming in, in panic because they missed it.

You know, I was like, hang on a second, you know, like you're worried that they haven't had this thing. And then the next thing, you know, all the kids are real. Well, really, you know, cause they just sprayed this stuff up the nose and then all of them are real and you're worried cause he didn't get it.

So what do you think? He's going to die of a cold and he's going to sneeze and then drop dead. It's that, you know, did, I mean, I, I, I never ever seen anything like that all the time that I was growing up and I went to school, I went, you know, went through the whole of childhood and off I went. It's, I never had to have anything like that.

Nothing ever happened to me, you know, or anybody else, I know, you know what I mean? It's just, it's an extremely strange state of affairs. That's for sure. Yeah.

So which, um, cause you know, we, we talked about your, your checkmate, the matrix school group and the, the different areas that you've operated on, but you've got something else now that's in the pipeline with a separate one with the, cause you're helping people kind of make a living as well. Yeah. So that's, that's kind of the main premise of it or is there a few different things that you're doing in it? Yeah, that's basically what it is.

We call it the AI, um, sovereign enterprise lab. And it's a, it's a totally separate group to checkmate the matrix. Uh, so what it is in a nutshell is like, look, everyone's talking about AI and it's great.

And a lot of people saying, well, this is what I've learned about AI. And now I can do coding or, Oh, we've got like a new AI that's come out now. It's like, you know, better than this one was.

And the next thing is they're all explaining how to get the next shiny toy. Uh, this is great. You can go and do all this stuff there.

And it was like, well, okay, this is great. And then let's talk about as well, you know, like, um, the graduates coming out of the universities now can't get a job because the AI is becoming so good at doing the boring repetitive tasks. So anybody that's an accountant, you're in trouble.

Uh, a lot of the, the, the, the legal works can, they're going to get into trouble. Right. And anything that's designing the ones that are coming through, right.

There is no jobs for these newly qualified ones because their jobs are being replaced with AI that takes care of the time, the repetitive tasks, the admin tasks, you can get agents that will just do all of that for you. And it just gets rid of all of that necessity for someone to do it. Cause the AI does it then it doesn't get tired, doesn't take a break.

So, but, and it's all well and good, but like I keep saying to people, okay, now what are you going to do then? First of all, the jobs are getting scarcer. So you're going to have to create your own sovereign enterprise. You need to be looking after your own affairs.

Being sovereign means that you don't have a job at just over broke. You've actually got a sovereign enterprise where you're in charge of creating your own wealth. That's what you need to be doing and taking on the mindset of abundance because, you know, the world is abundant of anything.

The only way it's restricted is if you allow yourself to go and swap time for money in a job at just over broke. So instead of talking about AI, now I know there's influencers and like content creators that need to just talk about AI because they want everyone to look at the content and then something like TikTok or YouTube will pay them. So yeah, that's great.

Right. But you yourself are going to watch it. Then what are you going to do? So what I've done is I've actually showed them methods on say, look, just use the AI to run a business that if you weren't using it, you'd have to put a lot of time and effort and hours into it.

You can now use the AI. You can literally create a business on your own that would usually have four or five people being a web designer, a graphic designer, a researcher. Now you can actually have AI do all that for you.

You just control it at the middle and you've got a business that you can literally start from scratch straight away. So on the AI sovereign enterprise lab, we've actually set it up so you can go in and start using the systems and watch the videos and learn the systems very, very quickly. You can actually start doing some work and actively approaching prospective clients for giving them these, what we call like a client acquisition system.

This is the first set of businesses that we've actually said, this is the AI will do it all for you. Right. But you just got to start it, kickstart it.

So we use client acquisition systems. And I've seen this funny because once I started doing that and saying, look, this is a client acquisition system, use that system instead of a website. And then I started getting like, anytime I went on to a social media to check my posts, I would get given other posts of people saying, oh, I use AI to build websites and sell them local businesses.

Thinking that's funny. Right. But what we don't use websites, we use a client acquisition system funnel.

So it's different to a website. It actually brings people in and leads them to a result. And the result is that for a local business, that they are going to get an inquiry or a booking or an appointment.

So that is the difference. Whereas you go into a website and you've got a menu and say, right, let's go and have a look at this one. Let's go and have a look at this one.

Let's go and have a look at this. And you've gone through all of the website and you don't do anything or you forget why you're there. And then you just leave and then go and find another website.

Whereas when you go into a client acquisition system, it can only go one way and it goes down to there and it collects the details of the actual customer or prospective customer. And then they either like ready to be contacted for you to see what come in for an appointment. As an example, let's just say that it's a hairdresser.

So a local hairdresser, it's a local business. People have gone in, they're looking for, I want to get my hair done, comes in. Right.

So we've got a 10% offer. If you go and fill your name in here, little video, fill your name in, we'll get a 10% offer on your first appointment. So they put the name and address in.

Next thing you know, telephone number comes over and then you call them, the business calls them and say, oh, like I've seen you've wanted this special offer coming. We've got there's an appointment, make it. And it filters the clients through like that, rather than just having a website people look at, then go to the next one, then go the next one.

It's much more effective. It's been proven over many years by people like Alex Ormosi or Russell Brunson, these funnel experts that actually designed this type of client acquisition system. So I demonstrated it just, was it last night? It might have been last night and the week before.

So what we did was I said, well, we're going to use Google Maps. So you're going to open up Google Maps and, you know, just to have a quick look at it, but you're not going to do anything yourself. Then you're going to go over to an AI software and you're going to get the AI software to go and scrape Google Maps for what you want.

So you can put in plumbers in England or, you know, whatever it is, the hairdressers, like you say, go and put them in. And what it'll do is you'll pick the number or I want to do a thousand businesses and it'll scrape. I did this last night, scraped a thousand businesses.

And what I've done is it went through all Google Maps and it levels them out on Client A, Client B and Client C or Prospect C. So it's like the ones that haven't got any website or a booking form. And it puts them at A, so it gets the telephone number, their address, the email, it's all laid out for you. It took five minutes to do it.

And I was just doing something else while I did it. Five minutes to scrape a thousand businesses and then gauge them into these ones you should really talk to, these ones you can talk to, these ones talk to, but speak to the other ones first or a list. So there's a thousand leads that are well prepared that we know they have no, if it's got a website and it's got a booking form, we just ignore it.

And so that's, they've collected them for me, a thousand. So out of those, well, we went through a thousand, so we've got a thousand details, but the actual approachable ones was 400, right? Around, it was just over, but let's say 400, you know, for maths. So then what we do is we actually pass that on.

Instead of you, I mean, you could do it if you had nothing else to do. You could then go and start speaking to them one at a time and say, do you know what, I've got something I want to show you about a client acquisition system because I've seen you haven't got one. Do you want to see it? It's just free.

I'll send it a link and that's it. It's not a sales call. It's not, you know, but I don't do that.

I've actually got like another one we went and sourced and just literally it's a website where you can go and book people for an hour or two hours or, you know, a V8. So you can just go on that, right? There we go. And I want you to go and call all these businesses.

So it works out about a pound a lead, you know, so you can go and get them to do all of that work for you. What's so I mean, cause AI is brilliant and AI can do so many things, but it can't speak to people truly. You can't have a conversation, you know, and actually go, oh, how are you doing? And like, how are you doing? Show you something.

So you have to have some human intervention. So this is where the human comes in. You use of the, they do all that for you.

Then it comes back where it's a qualified lead and you actually create. And I showed it again last night and it took one and a half minutes to create. Let's say it's a website cause that's what it is.

A website, but it's designed as a funnel took one and a half minutes to create it. So we've got two sets that we've got codex or, or, um, uh, Claude, right. And use both of them.

And, um, it was Claude was, it was one and a half minutes. Crazy. Got all.

And what we did was use the link, right? Put the link in from, uh, Google maps business. So it collects the photographs. It collects their images.

It collects their colors. It knows what they like, and it actually creates the funnel for them. You know what I mean? So there's the website designed their colors, their images, their name, their address, right? But it's with the prompts that we've created.

Okay. So we created the prompts with a prompt engineering. So we've got it there and you can only use that prompt as long as you put the details of the company and link it with our prompt and it'll create it in the style you want, but also on the Claude, we've created the MD skills as well.

So I know you've got like a, what's it called? GitHub or something. You go in and you can get skills for Claude and download them. Well, we didn't want to do that.

We created our own specific one that you put into Claude, that if you're in our group, you can take that skill, upload it into your own Claude, mix it with the prompt that we've also created with the prompt engineering on all done with AI. And we've done all that work for you, by the way, you just have to actually use them and it will create that website for you. We'll call it a website.

So people know what it is, but it's a funnel and there it is. And then you've actually got it. And then you have your VA that's actually says, Oh, they want to have a look at it and send them the link and they can go in and see all their own details and name and colors and images and everything like that on it.

It's wow. You know, amazing. And then you can be talking to them on the phone at the same time, or I would actually do it on a video call, set up a video call.

So let's share it and we can edit it, edit the actual funnel while you're talking to them. So they say, Oh, I want this, something a bit different. You can actually edit it using the AI and then show them the refresh, click the refresh button and show them it.

You know, we call it like the magic show. So you literally do it in front of them virtually. And you know, it's, it's a fantastic way of getting people.

Oh yeah. I like that. I'll have some of that.

And there you go. And obviously we've got all of the link on and all of the different streams of income that tie in with that. And that's a business people can literally go in and show them how to do it, physically show them how to do it.

And they can just follow all of the actual video instructions. It was like better than a college degree, you know, it's making your money fast because usually we're with a new business, you know, sometimes it takes months for, you know, the cashflow. And do you give suggestions then on kind of the sweet spot of what you should charge? Or are you just letting people kind of navigate that themselves? We tell them what we believe that they should be like charging for the service.

And obviously it depends on where you are. And the good thing is think about it. So I'm sitting here, I've just been sitting there looking at the Cheviot hills on the border of England, Scotland, but I can actually be doing this to people in America.

I can be doing this to people in Australia, as long as it's a local business, which they're all over the world, there's like multiple thousands upon thousands of them. You know, this saturation would could simply never happen. You know, you don't have to be talking to people in your own town, right? You can just do whatever you want.

So if I was talking to say someone in, you know, California, you'd be charging a lot more than like a thousand pounds, you know, because it's completely different environment. But like, you know, we, for the UK ones, I'd say between 750, a thousand pounds per setup, plus whatever else goes on after that as well, because there's link ons and add ons, it's all a modular system to put together. So, you know, the whole idea of it is that AI is brilliant, AI is fantastic, but you can't just keep going after all the shiny tools, you have to use the tool for a business reason, and then create something using AI, and then actually sell it to a customer.

That's how you actually create a business. That's how you make a sovereign enterprise. So you're in charge of it, and you're creating your own sources of income, and there will be multiple sources of income as well.

You don't have to just stick with the one, that's how you actually look after your own affairs. That's being sovereign, rather than, you know, trying to say, I want to jump out of the system, you know, just learn to play a better game in the system. And because you, like, there's a fantastic community in the Checkmate The Matrix, because, you know, people will figure out, oh, there's a good niche here, but as you say, the world is so big.

Are people sharing kind of different things as well, then, in the community to be kind of helping each other? There's only a few of them actually jumping in it right now, and what they're doing is they're actually questioning it more, and then sharing what they found, right? So that's good, they are sharing what they found, even when they've created their own types of funnels, and say, what, is this good enough? And share it, so you can, they're actually doing that. So, you know, they are sharing and helping each other, and that's what, and that's how it grows, you know, and it's always been a very, very supportive, friendly, and helpful group that we have. Anyway, no matter what it was, if it's like, you know, having to find out what research about, like a parking ticket, or debt, or a trust to here, we're now, like, you know, creating their own businesses.

No, excellent. No, no, I mean, yeah, I think we've, we've covered a lot today. Is there anything else that you'd like to, before we wrap up, to discuss? No, I think that's about it, really.

It's been a hell of a lot of information shared there, hasn't it? Oh, no, definitely. So, I know I have the link for the Checkmate the Matrix, so watch this new group called, and you can send it to me anyway, so I'll include it in the show notes, but on the audio, on the video. It's an AI sovereign enterprise lab, but I'll send the link to you, yeah, so have a look at that as well.

Okay, perfect. No, excellent. Yeah, and I mean, I, I've navigated all the Checkmate the Matrix, and yeah, it amazes me, the different things you're adding, and what you've discussed today, you know, just on helping people with the bailiffs and everything.

I can only see it getting better and better, because you're constantly evolving, which is why it's so successful. So, listen, Peter, as always, thanks a million, and I look forward to having you again next month. No, no problem.

Always love it. Thank you. Cheers.

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