#432 Spellbreaking: Dissolving the Illusion of Problems — with Brian D. Ridgway & Abigail Morgan

Brian Ridgway & Abigail Morgan
[Speaker 3] (0:02 - 2:37)
Welcome to The Speaking Podcast. You can find all our episodes on speakingpodcast.com. Today, my guests are Brian D.

Ridgway, known as the Spellbreaker, founder of Level 5 Mentoring and author of the number one international bestseller, Break Your Self-Help Addiction. Brian's story starts with 17 years of abuse at the hands of an angry father, followed by decades of financial disaster, relationship trauma and a suicide attempt. And along the way, over $300,000 invested chasing every self-help program he could find, none of which actually worked for him.

Everything changed on January 3, 2011, when he hit rock bottom, five months from homelessness with his pregnant wife and two kids and had a shift that instantly transformed his life. Since then, Brian's method, called Spellbreaking, has helped over 265,000 people across 84 countries. And joining him today is Abigail Morgan, CEO of Level 5 Mentoring.

Abigail is a 27-year veteran of the self-help and coaching world, who invested over $750,000 in her own healing journey after severe trauma. Starting at age three, she trained extensively under Martha Beck, Oprah's coach and founder of one of the largest coaching organizations in the world, and ran Martha Beck's practitioner training program for over eight years. Despite that depth of expertise, Abigail found that even the most advanced coaching modalities left her deepest issues untouched, and she saw that same pattern in the vast majority of her own coaches and clients.

She discovered Brian's work about a year and a half ago and says it was the first thing that ever gave her real results. She closed her own company to take over Level 5 Practitioner program a year ago and became CEO nine months ago. So, welcome both to the show.

Thank you, Brian. So, I mean, both very interesting stories. So, I suppose we'd go ladies first, because obviously something in this man kind of made you go, wow, because with the career that you've got and what you've done, it's obviously something very special.

So, you might kind of tell us about that.

[Speaker 2] (2:38 - 5:03)
Absolutely. Yes. Well, like you read in the bio, I have been deep in this industry of self-help and coaching and helping others for forever now.

So, I've been a coach for 18 years. My own personal development journey has been around 30 years. And just like you read there, I was experiencing so many things.

So, one of those was consistent and constant physical pain in my body. So, starting at age three, all the way through up to a year and a half ago. And so, I was out there helping others with all these tools.

I was seeking tools consistently, constantly for myself to see what I could do to further my own healing. And nothing was actually touching that. So, that was probably the worst situation for me.

It was physical pain I was experiencing. And I had a daughter about 14 years ago. And everything just was intensified through the childbirth process.

So, I couldn't sit down. I couldn't travel. I couldn't really take walks or do anything fun at all.

And here I was raising a child and desiring to be present with her and do things with her. So, that was really the impetus for me that helped me to keep seeking. And one day, I found this wild guy named Brian D.

Ridgway on the internet. And something about what he was saying really drew me in. And so, I jumped in.

I bought his book, The Early Beginning. I started digging into his work. And one of the experiences I had in a session with him, actually in within 10 minutes, all the physical pain in my body went away.

And it hasn't come back since. And so, that was pretty clear to me that this is something incredible and something different and something unique, despite searching the world over and being in every corner of healing, trauma healing, therapy, energy healing, all the metaphysical things, spiritual stuff, you name it. Nothing had really touched that for me.

And suddenly, I saw why. And I understood how his work worked. And I was so thrilled beyond belief for my own self.

And I wanted to bring this to others in the world. Like, he's kind of like a really well-kept secret. So, let's bring this out.

There's what I thought. And I wanted to help with that. So, that's what I'll share is the getting started aspect here.

[Speaker 3] (5:03 - 5:09)
Excellent. Thank you. So, Brian, something happened in 2011.

What exactly happened?

[Speaker 1] (5:09 - 9:05)
Yeah. Well, you know, it started at birth. And I, in order to put what happened in 2011 in context, like there's a certain amount of story that I can't avoid.

Basically, at around three, so I was born into a really unhappy home and constant physical and emotional abuse. It was every day. And around three, I became aware that I had the ability to listen to someone talk for a moment.

And this is going to sound weird because it's really weird. I could hear someone talk for a moment and I could see where they were suffering. I could see how they were causing it themselves and how they could change it.

Now, my parents didn't know if I had a demon or an angel. They were not religious or spiritual at all. They were just like, hide this kid because they couldn't have anybody around me without me looking at them and saying, oh, let me show you why you're suffering and what you can do about it.

So, I'm on the planet doing what I'm doing. So, I've had that ability since I was three. And I also lived an just absolute hellish life.

And so, you mentioned the suicide attempt. I was suicidal for about 30 years. After decades of working on myself, fanatically trying to find what was wrong and fix it.

Find what was wrong and fix it. I ended up homeless. We lost our house and we barely stayed off the street for about a year and a half.

And on the last day, it was January 3rd, 2011. And it was the end. We were going to get put on the street.

My wife at the time was pregnant. We had two small kids. And as I've heard other spiritual oriented teachers talk about, I was in a moment where there was no way out.

I had done everything. I had invested hundreds of thousands of dollars working on myself. I understood that I was creating my reality, that I was responsible for what I was getting.

I fully comprehended a lot of the quantum physics stuff. And I had tried it all. And yet, my life had gotten worse for all of those years.

And so, I just basically let go. I had no more bridges to burn. I had no way out.

And I completely let go of everything. And I had what I can only call an awakening moment, where in a flash, literally a minute that for me lasted about 10,000 years, I just sat there and I saw down to the roots of all the quantum physics I had ever studied, all the metaphysics, all the so-called woo-woo stuff. And I saw not only that we're each creating our reality, I saw exactly how we're doing it.

And I had this kind of like a voice, is the closest thing that I can say, an awareness that said, when you release all resistance to what is, completely, absolutely all resistance to what is, you can change anything and everything. And I got inspired. I got up from that awakening stage.

Oh my God, I'm creating my reality. Everything is energy. All is one.

Everything I've ever heard is true. I got inspired to go check my email. I had just gotten a message from somebody that wanted to get on a phone call.

They asked me to take over their company. Eight days later, I was on an all-expense-paid cruise in the Bahamas. And 61 days later, I was living in Hawaii, where I've been living the dream ever since.

Decades of suicidal, you know, I just, nothing worked. I just wanted out and it all came to an end. And I've been living an expanding miracle since that minute, 10 30 in the morning, January 3rd, 2011.

And I mean, now look at my life. I get to work with Abigail.

[Speaker 3] (9:07 - 9:24)
And just curious, because you said like you were, you know, in abusive parents and stuff like that, and you knew you had a gifted tree. How did they quash that? Because obviously, you know, it was like dormant for years.

Did you realize yourself when you kind of had to be quite with what your gift was?

[Speaker 1] (9:25 - 12:15)
Oh, oh yeah. Well, my dad had, you know, so when I, when I say this, Roy, I do, I have no desire to even be perceived as arrogant. And I know sometimes when I say some of the things that I say at this point, some people misperceive it.

I actually walk in the constant awareness now that I'm creating my reality and that everything is energy. So I no longer walk in the Newtonian paradigm of this, what Deepak Chopra calls the superstition of materialism. So when I say that I own a hundred percent responsibility for my creation, that includes my universe, my childhood, my parents.

I go all the way with it. Okay. So with that said, I created the perfect dad for me because one of his main things to say to me, and this was literally word for word, that big mouth of yours ain't never going to do anything but one thing, and that's get you in trouble, boy.

So he strongly encouraged me to shut the F up at every opportunity, shut the F up. And frequent statements like two words are going to haunt you your entire life, dumb ass. And so with, with encouragement like that from my dad constantly, you know, the gift in it is that if I look now for the truth in what he said, he was really teaching me to become totally present and make sure that before I open my mouth, I'm saying what I actually desire and mean to say, and that I'm okay with whatever flows from what I say.

So he was telling me to speak from presence. He just was very unpresent saying it. So yeah, I definitely, I definitely did everything I could to hide it.

But then, you know, as a teenager, I'm standing in the grocery store behind someone in the, in the aisle, they turn around and start talking and they say, I feel like I can tell you my issues. And then they would say something. I would ask them a question and they'd be like, have you been following me around for the last 30 years?

How do you know everything there is to know about me? And so in, in 2011, when I was inspired to, to start a business around this so-called gift or whatever you would call it, I realized, wow, I've been doing this for people my entire life who didn't want it, who didn't ask for it and didn't invite it. And I'm pissing everybody off.

You know, at first, the first time I would do it, they would usually be amazed and odd and like, Oh my God, this is incredible, but I wouldn't stop. So I was continuing to tell everybody how they were creating their suffering. And, and I realized much later in life, don't do it until someone asks.

So now people pay me to do it. It's kind of amazing.

[Speaker 3] (12:17 - 12:21)
Spell breaker. If the, where did that name come from and what exactly it means.

[Speaker 1] (12:22 - 15:18)
Oh, man. That's one of my favorite questions. So about 12 ish, 13 years ago, a lady had come over from the, so one of the things I do, I do a lot of different things with people, groups and one-on-ones.

And one of the things is occasionally people will come out and spend four days with me in Hawaii. And I just devote energy, working them to unmake all of their trauma, basically create a new life. And so this lady, Paula V from the UK had come over.

She had long story, very short. She was 20. She and her husband had just gotten married.

They went to Australia on holiday. She was driving across country in the afternoon. She, next thing you know, she opens her eyes.

It's pitch black night. Her legs are crushed in the front seat, car is upside down and he's cold dead in the back seat. And so for 22 years, she did what other people call grieving, which I don't actually believe is an accurate understanding of sadness.

I get how people get there, but she had been grieving for over 22 years. She had started a healing business that she was doing nothing with. She was hiding at home, not interacting with people and basically dying for 22 years in this sadness.

And she found my stuff, came out, did four days with me. On our first day, we were sitting outside and I said, would you like to address this issue first? And she said, yeah.

So 45 minutes of us talking and she opened her eyes and it was like she had been asleep for 22 years. And she said, what did you just do to me? I feel like I've been under a spell for the last 22 years.

And like you just broke the spell. Like what the hell is going on? So ever since then, I talked to a couple people about it and that became the nickname.

And basically like what I do is I perceive to put it in the really simplest words. This is not woo woo. It's not magic.

It's that we're all under spells. I mean, my presumption is we're all individually, infinite, unlimited beings creating our reality disguised for a while as humans to have an adventure in time and space. That's really my summary of it.

And we fell asleep through trauma and programming and we're under thousands and thousands of spells and we buy them with our energy. And once we buy them, we don't have access to that energy and we're bound to experience whatever is in our spells. And people come to me and to whatever extent they want to unmake those spells, that's what I do.

And that's how her pain disappeared in 10 minutes. And a lot of other cool stuff happens.

[Speaker 3] (15:19 - 15:36)
And when people go through your process, because it's like, I suppose, you know, when somebody wakes up to what's happening in the world and they go down the rabbit hole, they never go back. Or if they learn breath work, they kind of, is it the same with this that you won't fall back into old habits?

[Speaker 1] (15:36 - 17:10)
Yeah. Now to be radically honest about it, someone can decide, say they wake up from a certain spell or two or three. And recall that I said thousands of spells.

This is not like a one and done. We all have thousands of spells. So what happens when someone comes to this work, they realize, oh my God, okay, this actually works and I have some more things to address.

Right? So it's a process. They're stepping into an awakening process.

However, when they spell break an issue, it spell breaks in their physical body, what I call their physical body, their emotional body, their mental body, and their universal body. So it's done. That's done.

If there are other things in life that they're not ready and willing to face, they can kind of fall back asleep for a while, but they never unmake that spell break. And so, you know, with our business, we have people who come in and they want to resolve their biggest issue and we do it quickly and easily, reliably. And some of them decide, you know what, I want to start living this life.

I'd like to get involved. So we have practitioner programs. We have a new facilitator program where we're helping people to do this with others.

And we have people that have been with me for nine or 10 years that have dissolved so-called health issues. I don't really see it that way. Family issues, relationship issues, body issues, and they're, you know, they're staying in it because it's constantly yielding more and more awesomeness in their lives.

[Speaker 2] (17:11 - 17:13)
Brian, do you mind if I share on that as well?

[Speaker 1] (17:13 - 17:14)
Please, please do.

[Speaker 2] (17:15 - 18:16)
This is something I saw when I came to Brian's work was the amazing effectiveness of spell breaking, how it's permanent, it's lasting, it's deep. It's the most effective thing I've ever found searching forever. And there's also things a person can do themselves to expand and continue that spell break once they've had one and to actually live this and continue spell breaking themselves every day and to be awake in their own life and continue to awaken through processes they do themselves.

So that's something that I got really inspired about to help Brian with, and that's what we've been doing together is taking this work and then giving people processes they can implement for themselves to really just expand on what just happened when they have a spell break so that it's absolutely infinite what's possible for them. And that's truly what I see with his work is the possibilities are so far beyond what someone might think is actually possible. So to me, that's the exciting part to show someone, hey, this is what could happen for you, and here's how you do it.

[Speaker 1] (18:18 - 19:50)
Yeah, and now I really must, I got to add something on top of that. So this is what's so, you know, right before we came on, you mentioned like, wow, this is two really unique, powerful stories. Like, what the heck?

How did these two come into being? And the fact of the matter is that for the 15-ish years that I was doing this work, a lot of people would come to me and their first thing is, oh, he's talking about energy. Yeah, I know about this.

And then they experience it and they say, okay, there's nothing in the world like this. I mean, 30 to 40% of my clients have been coaches and therapists and psychologists and gurus, some names that your audience would know, and I honor their anonymity, of course. However, everybody saw it as almost magic, what I was doing, incomprehensible magic.

And Abigail, with her 27, 30 years of experience in this realm, and eight years of running one of the most successful coaching organizations, she is a grand ninja master at taking magic and systemizing it and organizing it and making it dummy proof, where anyone can do it, even if they're in self-sabotage. And so this is really like a business marriage beyond, it's miraculous that she found us. And every day, everybody at the company is just like, how did we find Abigail?

How did this even happen?

[Speaker 3] (19:51 - 20:11)
I think because I watched the video with both yourselves and Keith, and I could just see the gel, because I've had a lot of businesses, I think 22, I've had wrong partners and I've had fantastic partners. And you can just kind of see it, you can go, they get each other. It's like, you make the triangle, it's like, okay, this works well.

[Speaker 1] (20:12 - 20:20)
Yeah, we're just having fun. We're having fun generating money, helping people and creating the world we want to live in. How does it get more awesome than that?

[Speaker 3] (20:22 - 20:36)
So one of the things is, people can come out to Hawaii for the four days, but not everyone can afford that. You've got your book. Does the book do enough or do you have courses?

I want to make sure that the masses can actually get access to this.

[Speaker 1] (20:37 - 22:06)
Yeah. Well, so there's two answers to that that I have. And then I would love to have Abigail chime in on this as well.

I will say that I have helped way more people for free than I have ever helped paid. And that'll continue. Having been homeless, I get it.

I also, I don't shy away. I don't buy the absolute commonly held bullshit that spiritual work should be free. I'm devoting time and energy.

And one thing I learned really early was the more people pay, the more they pay attention, the more they want to get their money's worth. So I don't shy away from doing very high ticket one-on-one work. It is not where my focus is at all.

I love my life. I live in paradise with the partner of my dreams. I love my dog.

I love my life. So I'm not here to work all the time. And I have a team, an amazing world-class team that we are constantly creating courses, programs.

Again, our facilitator program, brand new. Our practitioner program that's about a year old. And we have about a thousand ways that we help people.

I have two books, one available on Amazon and two that are, both of them are available on different websites. So we have stuff from free to eight bucks to very, very, very high ticket. And it's just how far people want to go with it.

And what would you add, Abigail?

[Speaker 2] (22:07 - 23:29)
Yeah, I would add that one of the most incredibly wonderful things about Brian and the way he works is whatever he's doing, whether it's a free masterclass or something that's, you know, seemingly low priced, he's giving everything. He's always sharing everything. He's not one of those people who holds back the secret sauce behind the curtain.

So yes, in the Your New Beginning book, you will get the entire awareness, the entire process, the entire understanding of what his work is and how to implement it. So it's an amazing starting point for anyone who wants to dive in and really get it. And what most people find is reading the book is so clear and so inspirational and such an aha.

And then they just want to keep on going. So we've created all kinds of pathways. Maybe somebody wants to work with money or they want to work with health or they want to work with relationships or maybe all of the above, or maybe they are a coach or a healer in some way and they would like to learn how to do this for others.

So we have all those different pathways that people can go down here at Level 5 to experience whatever they desire to experience and explore. There's everything from the book to free masterclasses, to like high ticket work with Brian, to our practitioner program, and everything in between. So whatever someone wants to do, we're here to support them in doing that.

[Speaker 1] (23:29 - 23:54)
Yeah, we literally just created finally our first offering for teaching this Level 5 awareness to parents and getting it into the family. And we're making products and courses that are applying this infinite awareness and total freedom to every topic of life and expanding it.

[Speaker 3] (23:56 - 24:06)
So you mentioned with the parents, can this be applied to young children? Is there an age where you can kind of go, no, we shouldn't do it at this age?

[Speaker 1] (24:07 - 28:20)
No, not at, no. I mean, so the real bottom line of this, Roy, and not everybody is ready for this. We walk in 100% awareness.

Like, you know, I told you I was helping people that didn't want it. I lived most of my life to find out what not to do. And boy, did I.

And so we know that not everybody's ready for this. The simple reality is that we operate from is that each one of us, including children, are the creators of our reality. The true being, the soul, or whatever you might call it, we all have a lot of attachments to those words, but your true self, you're showing up as a body on a planet navigating time and space.

The real you is infinitely beyond that and fully participating. And so everybody is that, and everybody has access to that. Children actually know it way better than we do because we haven't beaten it out of them yet.

So the irony is that with our parenting stuff, we put it out there to help parents help their kids. But the fact is we put it out there so that the kids can help the parents wake back up. And for us to presume that we can teach our children anything when they're coming in as the newest models of us, they're the new improved models of us.

If we listen to them a little bit more and be a little bit more curious. So this work is about helping people to discover their infinite selves, unmake the programming, and start creating the life and the world that they want to live in. That's what it's really about.

Do we help people solve problems? Yeah, but I really call it dissolving the illusion of problems. People come to me for help with their problems.

I don't help them solve a problem, I help them undo the illusion of problems, and of course their problems go away. And the same thing, we're now just giving them specific tools for doing it to interact with their kids. And there is no age.

That child is an infinite, unlimited being. If they can understand any verbal communication, and maybe more than that. So I've identified and really developed a system for understanding childhood trauma, which is any moment of physical and or emotional pain.

And we create these spells of what we believe we know. I'm back up one sentence, and I'll give you the theme of this applied to parenting, because it's really the theme of what we're doing. For those who are willing to accept the possibility that we're each creating our reality, there's some fairly commonly held stuff in those realms.

And one of the things is that what you believe you know, the universe shows as true. You get forever evidence of whatever you know is true. Well, the vast majority of what we know to be true is absolute utter horseshit.

It's decisions and conclusions that we reached from our unconscious parents, teachers, preachers, and authorities. And now we buy that, and now we're bound by it. Because we forever get evidence of every lie we ever adopted as truth.

So with for parents, learning this level five so-called magic, they're not only helping their children undo those spells, so they don't grow up like us. But we're helping them as parents to not create the spells in their children in the first place. So our number one way, you know, I am here to create the world I desire to live in.

And so is Abigail. And we share a vision of that. It's helping people to return to the love and joy and peace of their infinite nature and get away from the war and the needless competition and battling.

And where better than in the home where parents are communicating with their kids, and you're either going to be filling those kids with spells and watching them grow up and suffer and create more hell, or you're going to be unmaking it. So this is rooted in unmaking that whole thing.

[Speaker 3] (28:21 - 28:33)
You mentioned about your dog. And I'm just curious, because I know sometimes this kind of abuse that happens to dogs, they don't have a voice. Has this ever been applied to animals, maybe to a mind?

[Speaker 1] (28:34 - 29:45)
All day, every day, and anybody close to me knows my relationship with my dog. This dog was severely traumatized. I've had him for about four and a half years.

He's a little bit over five years old. He is an absolute lunatic from the trauma that he went through as a puppy. He was super scarred.

The day we went to the shelter, we'd been looking for a dog for me and my kids for a couple years. And they said, we lost our funding. We've had to put down all the dogs and cats here.

We have one more dog coming in tomorrow. We're just going to put him down when he gets here. And me and my kids looked at each other.

Oh, God. We're taking this dog home. Let him not be traumatized and crazy.

And this dog was so traumatized and crazy. And he has taught me more about being gentle and understanding and kind, because he doesn't have a voice. Like I realize if his life is going to hinge on how I take care of him.

And so he has really taught me gentleness and kindness and seeking to understand more than any human relationship I've been in. And I'm pretty serious about my human relationships.

[Speaker 3] (29:47 - 29:55)
But the testimonials that are on the way. So maybe Abigail, because you can give maybe a few testimonials and then Brian can give some others.

[Speaker 2] (29:56 - 32:57)
Oh, yeah. So we have so many people. I mean, Brian has been helping people for many years now.

And even in just the year and a half that I've been with Level 5, I've seen so many people experiencing so many, what you would call miraculous results. And so things like my experience with physical pain, and so on. Financial things that totally shift suddenly, seemingly overnight.

We have, for example, Dr. Erica Yates, one of our practitioners. She is 81 years young, as we say. And she was, like me, learning so many things, seeking for 60 years.

I think she has like over 100 certifications in helping others. She is like one of the most highly trained people you could ever find on the planet. And she went out and worked with Brian and literally discovered the core root when she was born, the very first spell of her existence from the moment she was born.

And I'm sure Brian will throw a little on that as well. And she, in 15 minutes, everything in her life completely changed from unmaking that original spell of what happened when she was a tiny, tiny newborn baby. And so she is probably one of our most raving fans at the moment, talking about this and sharing about that and saying she was literally reborn.

And that's true for anyone who's getting a spell break. So we have testimonials all over the place of people just sharing and talking about this surprising, seemingly miraculous result they got, whatever area it was in their life. And I will just say one thing about that on the practical side, because it might seem unbelievable to people.

They might be like, how could this be possible? It doesn't seem like it could be. And it actually is.

And if you look at everything out there, there's belief work, there's energy work, there's emotional work, there's trauma work. And they're all coming to these seeming problems, like Brian said, or traumas that people have been through from an angle. So you could come at it from an angle of the mind and the thoughts that a person is having.

You could come at it from the emotions somebody's having. You could come at it from all sorts of areas. And there's nothing I've ever seen that actually does all of that at once.

So truly, the perceptions, the beliefs, the decisions, the conclusions, the emotions in all the bodies, like Brian said, are actually accessed at once in a spell break. So you truly, there's nothing lingering. There's no little piece left of that spell.

And that's why a miraculous result is actually possible, because you've truly unmade everything in that whole experience down to the root of the root of the root. And now it just doesn't exist anymore. So that's why we have all these people saying, I've had all this or that or the other miraculous result in my life that's seemingly almost impossible.

So that's why I'd share on that.

[Speaker 3] (33:00 - 33:32)
I mean, so how does it feel for you, Brian, when you kind of see how you've transformed somebody's life? Because, I mean, there's so many people, I mean, like, all the things, you know, that Abigail said there, and there's a lot of different things. I mean, talking about filling your heart, but just to see somebody transformed that's possibly in pain all their life, or just, you know, broken, and they just switch it around.

I mean, it must be an incredible feeling for yourself realizing what you're, you know, after achieving for people.

[Speaker 1] (33:32 - 37:25)
Yeah, you know, I walk in joy just about 24-7. I mean, I'm human. I can get tired if I have a few days without enough sleep.

Abigail and I, we've been literally meeting. We ain't here to work hard. And this last week, we've been doing some really deep stuff with the business and really building a new floor underneath it for massive growth.

So, you know, I'm a little tired. I got up really early for this morning. And I can be tired, and I can have a minute of, oh, shit.

But it's like a few seconds now, 99.9% of the time I'm walking in joy. And the fact that what I'm doing, I'm doing what I am. I'm not really working.

I'm literally here doing what I am. And what I'm here to do is be radically selfish, selfish enough to be completely focused on creating the world that I want to live in. Now, what's even cooler about that is I found that to be completely selfish creating the world I want to live in means that I'm being the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people that I can to help them to wake up from their nightmare.

And then so an idea that came through me, and I'll just say, you know, you can edit this out, whatever is kosher for you. But it was during an ayahuasca ceremony many years ago. I had an insight.

Imagine if someone was an infinite, unlimited being, and they were walking through the world. Why is there no love here? God, look at what's happening.

Look at, oh, my God, look at, oh, these nightmares. And, oh, man, this governmental overreach, and, oh, this pandemic stuff, and the bombs, and how horrible is this? Why is there no love, joy, and peace in this world?

And then one day they wake up as the infinite being who's creating their reality, and they realize they weren't putting any love in to the world that they live in. Here they're walking around looking for where's the love, and they're not putting it in. So I quit asking.

When I had that awakening experience, I quit asking, oh, God, what can one person do? And I started asking, what can one person do? And I started focusing on how can I help the greatest number of people who want it?

Key. How can I help the greatest number of people to the greatest extent? Now, with Abigail involved, it's how can we help the greatest number of people who want to help the greatest number of people to really accelerate this awakening?

And I gotta say, Roy, I'm not here to right any wrongs, because I don't live in a world of right and wrong. I'm not here to make the world a better place. The world's absolutely perfect.

Humans are suffering because of their programming. It's the easiest thing to solve when someone decides they want to. So the fact that I'm getting to live my life doing that every time I watch a person have another breakthrough, I'm just ecstatic.

I'm thrilled every minute of it. Yesterday, we were on a business meeting, Abigail and me and our South African marketing team. And she transparently, as always said, you know, Brian, I've had something come up that I'm finally noticing and I'd like to resolve.

And 10 minutes, we touched it. It was something from early childhood. She unmade it.

And she stepped out from between two clamps around her communication from something that happened in childhood. And you know, our new marketing team is watching this going, this is what we're going to be doing on team meetings. Like we're spell breaking every minute, something comes up, I bring it up, I feel the emotion, I transmute it, I step out of it.

So you know, I'm doing it for me, I'm doing it for the people around me that want it. And I'm just having a freaking blast. So best thing ever.

[Speaker 2] (37:27 - 38:24)
Sorry, do you mind if I throw on that there a little bit? So as somebody who learned how to spell break and is now training others in how to spell break, I just gotta say it is the most fun. I've been a coach for 18 years, and I've never had a tool like this in my hands, where I can actually support somebody all the way to the root of whatever, and really watch them step into a totally new life.

And we say liberation from spell breaking is what truly happens. And it's true. So for me, like the joy of having this absolute certainty and confidence and clarity with any client that I have this tool that can do this.

Oh my gosh, it's just an it's an amazing experience. And that's what our practitioners say too, is now that now that they're able to do that as well. It's just a phenomenal experience to have that confidence when you're helping somebody to know exactly how to help them to the root.

So I just love it as well. It's so much fun.

[Speaker 3] (38:25 - 39:04)
I mean, for those that think, you know, there is doom and gloom in the life. It's like when you see that, and the compound effect, the ripple effect, that that's how it all changes. And, you know, when you see, I mean, I did a DMT at one stage, there was a group of us in Costa Rica, and I just could see we're all connected.

And I was like, I just kind of one never needed to do it again. I was like, yeah, okay, I get it. I understand that.

That was warm for me. Beautiful. What I'm seeing is that there's more and more people that are kind of more heart centered.

And it's just growing. And that's, that's what's given me hope that I'm seeing so much of that.

[Speaker 1] (39:04 - 39:11)
Yeah, yeah, we're, we're focused on making it happen. Yeah.

[Speaker 3] (39:11 - 39:23)
So I, when I was watching the video, you had like the five steps, because, you know, obviously, we don't want to kind of go into too much deep, but you might just kind of mention the five of them that give people like an idea.

[Speaker 1] (39:25 - 39:39)
So well, I have, I have several fives. So there's like the five approaches to human change, there's the five paradigms that we live in, the five spells from hell, what would you, what would you like to focus on?

[Speaker 3] (39:40 - 39:42)
I let Abigail choose because she, she's my favorite.

[Speaker 2] (39:43 - 40:09)
Awesome. Oh my gosh, that's a choice right there. Woo.

Um, I think for people who are new to this, honestly, if I if I didn't have to choose, I would pick two, I would pick the paradigms and the five spells from hell. Because I think those two combined really help people to see what's actually possible and why it's possible, which is such an eye opener. So I don't know, Brian, if that's a challenge for you.

[Speaker 1] (40:09 - 53:23)
Yeah, let's just see how fast and brief I can be on this. Okay, so so what I find is, and what I keep telling myself, I'm going to look up who says, I think it's Marcus Aurelius, but that the unexamined life is not worth living. And the vast majority of people are chasing and racing, reacting to their own creations, not knowing it and endlessly putting out fires, and they don't examine much other than their thumb examining the remote control when they're Netflix and chilling.

So most people are living unexamined lives. And I find that what is most valuable to examine is someone's core paradigm. Everybody has completely unconsciously a model of the universe that they're living in.

And they don't know that what they hold as true forever gives them evidence that they're right. And so this really matters. And I have playfully identified what I call the five paradigms that rule the planet.

Everyone on this planet is living inside one of these five paradigms, period. And it dictates what you get from life. So Stephen Covey said, If you want to make baby step gains in your life, work on policies and projects, projects and procedures and concepts.

But if you want to make a quantum leap, work on your paradigm. Well, I go all the way to the core paradigm. And here are the five that I've discovered.

So to the listener, I would invite you to just hear these and think about yourself and people you know, and you'll be able to see which one you've been living in most of the time. Alright, so the first one is the meat suit paradigm. And that is the person who says it's me against the world.

Life is hard. You know, I got to get enough bananas to get through the week for me and my family. But damn is hard.

And I got to use my back and struggle. And it's a battle between me and other people. And it's an endless struggle and competition.

And the second is what I call mindset. And mindset is you've said I'm no longer a dumbass meat suit. I am smarter than that.

I'm working on myself. I'm looking at life. And I hire meat suits to bring me more bananas.

And I'm finding more strategic ways. But you're still battling. You're still living in a idea of a physical universe that's bigger than you that's going to kick your ass with all kind of powers outside of it.

It's still a struggle. The third is religiosity. And religiosity is where people what we're talking about the five paradigms people live in.

So meat mindset, religiosity. Religiosity is where you discover there's something more than me and other people and bananas. Like there's something bigger.

And so people become religious. They discover some idea of a God or something bigger than them that if they could learn the rules and the laws, not only will they be happier, but they'll have way more bananas. And maybe they'll be able to have enough bananas to last.

And life will get easier and more fun. And they can make more out of life. The fourth and this is where I have the most fun.

The vast majority of people that find us in this work are living in level four. And I call that one being spiritual. Now the hallmarks of being spiritual, you've come up from meat suit to mindset, you're still living some meat suit moments, you're still having some times when you think that thought is the answer.

And you still have religious rules and ideas that you're trying to live by. But you think you're no longer religious because you identify as spiritual, but not religious. And you don't know that you just made the universe your replacement for God.

You still believe there's something bigger than you with power outside of you. It has the rules. You don't.

Now you got the 12 universal laws and blah, blah, blah, the law of attraction and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're still trying to get enough freaking bananas to get through. And the real differentiator between level four and level one, two, and three is you've mentally gotten, wait a minute, everything is energy and all is actually one somehow.

I don't quite get it. And I'm accepting that I might be creating my reality, but they can't live it. And like I said, this is the vast majority that people find us.

Their number one frustration and they're surprised to discover it is that they now get that everything is energy and they're creating their reality, but they'll be damned if they can find the controls to start making it work. That is universal in level four. Level five is liberation.

Level five is awakening to the awareness and walking in the awareness. Not having the mental understanding of it like level four, but actually walking in the awareness. I'm actually creating my reality.

This is all universe. There's nothing physical here. Einstein said it.

There's no physical universe. Tesla said it. Napoleon Hill said it.

And think you grow rich. All the seers have said it. I know the government's telling me that I'm a little chunk of meat in a giant machine that's going to grind me to ribbons to my miserable death.

And the only thing certain is death and taxes. But I'm creating my reality and I'm actually free to create whatever I desire. Now, how do I get back to it?

And that's level five, walking in the awareness that it's all energy. There's nothing physical here. You are creating your reality and you can take your power back and start creating it.

And so that's the five paradigms. The five spells from hell. I'm going to go as brief as I can.

Feel free to reign me in at any moment, but this is really the key to understanding the work. A spell is what you are holding inside of yourself. And we all have thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of spells.

Everybody on this planet has them. And they're running our lives to an extent that we have no idea. And the spells kind of keep us asleep to the fact that it's happening, which is why awakening is the key to this.

And a spell is what happened in a moment of physical and or emotional pain. Trauma experts, as a rule, in my opinion, are pretty much all missing the real point of trauma. It's any moment of physical and or emotional upset or pain.

And for a child, there's no big or small trauma. You would think that, you know, being raped by a monster or, you know, a literal monster, some situation or, and then there's a difference between that and being told no. But for a three-year-old, there's no difference.

It's severe trauma. It's a shock. And they have physical and or emotional pain.

And in those moments, we reach decisions about what this is, what it means, and what I have to do. And we reach conclusions about how life is and what the world is and sex and men and women and money. And so a spell is the conglomeration of everything you thought, decided, believed, concluded, and decided that you have to do from now on.

And let's remember, you made those decisions and conclusions at that age of understanding. That's the critical key to getting this. And so that's also bound with the emotions that you never digest because we're taught not to feel and express our emotions by all of society.

Keep that personal shit at home. You're at work now. Can't be personal here.

All right. These spells, there are millions of them, and I have discovered that they can be classified completely under what I call the five spells from hell. And this is the first thing I've ever seen that explains, answers, and solves every human issue, challenge, and problem, period, personally, professionally, and planetarily.

So the summary of them is this. The first one is not safe to be. As a child, if you went through any physical pain, any possibility of being harmed or killed, you learned it's not safe to exist.

I'm not safe to be. Everybody experienced it. Number two, not safe to be me.

I'm looking around, looks like they're okay, but what's wrong with me? Why can't I speak? Why can't I have what I want?

Why are you guys finding fault with me? Why are you telling me to be different than I am? Not safe to be me.

Third is not safe to be me desiring. We learned that desire is bad, and our desires, because not safe to be me, therefore my desires are bad. I want something.

I desire something, and I find out that I shouldn't. I'm wrong. I'm bad.

I'm selfish. I should just shrink back into the corner and shut the hell up. So here's what we got.

Not safe to be, not safe to be me, and not safe to be me desiring. Every one of us, from the womb to 13, 14 years of age, had thousands of moments where we learned not safe to be, not safe to be me, not safe to be me desiring. In those moments, we gasped, we felt emotion, we froze, and we reached decisions and conclusions.

If we don't go back to those moments and unmake them and reclaim that energy and unmake and question those decisions and conclusions, they are running our entire life from that moment forward, and we wonder what the hell is wrong with us, and the people around us wonder what the hell is wrong with us. The fourth spell from hell is where we've begun to move into our lives a little bit more, and we start to ask for what we desire. We start to act on what we desire and move towards what we desire, and we learn things like the tall poppies get cut down first.

Don't get your hopes too high. Don't you dare go and be powerful. The school system, education, government, all of it teaches this, and then they get that into our parents, so they enforce it in the home.

Not safe to be me acting on my desires or asking for them. Imagine being a kid, and you go ask mom and dad for something, and they're upset. We all experience it, and what a child learns in those moments is I'm not okay asking for what I desire and need.

Now for the rest of your life, you're uncomfortable asking for anything. Asking for a raise. Asking, excuse me, can I have, like people are choking literally on it.

Throat cancer is like all kind of stuff that shows up to facilitate and show it in the physical. So not safe to be, not safe to be me, not safe to be me desiring, not safe to be me acting on or asking for my desires, and the fifth spell is oh hell no, let me not get what I desire. Not safe to get what I desire, and the number of ways, and I do go, you know, I have hours of content on this, and it's all instantly applicable beneficial stuff.

I'm giving the shortest summary possible. In the moments when we got something, and it was taken. In the moment we got something, and they said, now we got you.

In the moment that we got something, and they said, now you owe us. In the moment that they gave it to us, we finally have it, and they said, and if you mess up, we're going to take it from you. We're going to control how you use it.

Yes, you finally got that gift you always wanted, so you could have it and play with it at your friends. You can't take it to your friends. You have to play with it here.

We learned with so much pain, and so much trauma, that it's not safe to get what we desire. So now if you put these together, not safe to be, not safe to be me, not safe to be me desiring, not safe to be me acting on my desires, and not safe to be me getting what I desire, and you look at someone's life, everything they're getting and experiencing, all of their difficulties, frustrations, pains, irritations, all of it is their universe reflecting the five spells from hell that they're holding, reflecting it back to them.

If we don't go back and unmake those, and reclaim the power that froze, unmake the emotion that froze, and unmake the decisions and conclusions that we reached, those emotions, and pains, and conclusions, and decisions literally create our life, and we wonder why the hell did that happen again? And we do all these self-help and spiritual things that don't get anywhere near the root of the actual issue, which is that you're holding these things unconsciously in your consciousness, which reflects in what you perceive to be a universe. So this, like I started with, I close with it, the five spells from hell are the only thing that I have ever seen in 47 years now of my own self-help lifetime that explains, answers, and gives the resolution to every human issue, challenge, and problem.

Everybody's talking, everybody in the spiritual world is talking about how we create the reality. Yeah, but how? And how do I get underneath it and remake it?

And I haven't seen anyone talking about it. So Abigail, you throw anything on top of that?

[Speaker 2] (53:24 - 53:27)
That was awesome. Love it, Brian.

[Speaker 3] (53:29 - 54:14)
And because out there there's thousands of different people offering different stuff, and I mean, usually they're just trying to get customers for life and, you know, they're guiding them down the wrong path. And even therapists, people going to therapists, like, and like, you know, they're basically, I heard of people saying, oh, I have a great therapist, I'm with him for 20 years, and I just shake my head like, oh, you've got a good businessman, you know, that's what, you know, they have no interest in curing you. So in, when, like, I mean, we kind of touched on it, but when people are kind of navigating all these different things, and then they're looking at you and they think, yeah, just the same thing, because of course, unfortunately, you're paired with the same brush.

[Speaker 1] (54:16 - 56:44)
Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I got to say, this is one of the things about Abigail, you know, when we, whenever we communicate, whenever we're doing a masterclass, a training, we do a lot of free things. And we give away unbelievable value during our free stuff.

And she pretty much always starts with, listen, you're gonna think you've seen this before, you're gonna think because he's talking about energy. Oh, yeah, I know this already. But you haven't seen this, you don't know what this is.

Don't make that mistake unless you really want to, because you're gonna miss what's in front of you. And yeah, and you know, I have a weird take Roy on the thing about the self help industry. And what you were saying about, you know, going down the wrong path and all this stuff.

I propose, because see, I'm not upset about my own 300,000 bucks that I spent and the hundreds of thousands of dollars, the 10s of 1000s of hours of my self help journey buying shit that didn't work, or that partially worked. I'm not upset about it. Because if I'm creating my reality, and I wanted to make this the grandest adventure possible, and I created all this suffering to rise through, why would I make it to where the self help industry gave me an easy button that I could push and be done with it.

I love the fact that I look back and all that self help stuff out there that some of it's full of shit. Some of it's got some benefit. Some of it has eight counter arguments for it.

So it's completely conflicting information. And it's awesome. I'm so glad and when people that have been working on themselves for years or decades find us and they go, Oh my god, this is the first thing that ever completely worked.

It's even more fun for us. And I must say, I'm not putting any system or any teacher or any guru, anything down in any way, shape or form. I'm saying the law of attraction doesn't exist in my universe.

And you're creating your reality. So if you want to live in a world where there's a law of attraction that you have to learn and master, you go on with your bad self and have a good time with it. What's beyond that is liberation.

[Speaker 3] (56:46 - 56:54)
There's another advantage to your journey. You can relate to where they've been and that way then they can connect better with you.

[Speaker 1] (56:54 - 57:08)
Hundred percent. And the fact that I've been homeless, you know, people could look at me, Oh, look at him. He's in Hawaii.

It's all easy for him. Uh, no, no. I went through hell for 44 years, complete living hell for 44 years.

[Speaker 3] (57:11 - 57:21)
Excellent. Before we wrap up, I mean, I was admiring the two crystals. Are you trying to enter the Guinness book of records for having the largest crystals you might tell us about?

[Speaker 1] (57:22 - 57:41)
Well, these ain't the biggest ones I have. Um, these are like, these are two that I love and, and I know they hold energy, you know, um, that's weird and woo woo to some people, but yeah, our, our place in Hawaii here, we have them literally everywhere visible and behind things doing different things for us.

[Speaker 3] (57:42 - 57:48)
Excellent. So you might let the listeners know where they can find you and also the name of the book as well. You might just mention it again.

[Speaker 1] (57:49 - 59:03)
Yeah. So, um, I, I would just throw in an Abigail, if you have anything to add, you know, we, we have, um, my first book that went overnight. I was a totally unknown author.

It went number one overnight international bestseller. Uh, it's still available on Amazon. I don't know how many hundred five star reviews it has.

Uh, that's called break yourself. Help addiction is still there. It's, it's awesome.

People are still raving about it. However, uh, a few years ago we took that book and we kind of re-engineered it, added a ton of updated stuff, expansions, some very powerful videos. Like when, when you buy this book, which I think is eight or nine bucks on our website, if I'm not mistaken right now, um, you actually get what equates to a $10,000 transformational, liberational, uh, library.

There's some short power pack videos that come with it and some other really cool stuff that helps people just jumpstart their, uh, awakening and that's at your new beginning book.com your new beginning book.com. No spaces, no dots. Uh, what you got Abigail?

[Speaker 2] (59:04 - 1:00:26)
Yeah, actually I'll share a little bit kind of on the last question too. So I found Brian through that book here in the beginning and I bought it and I was a veteran of this industry. So exactly like what you just said, Roy.

I was like, oh well, what could this be? And yet another thing out there just like all the others. However, yeah.

Oh, another thing. Uh, there was something in the Facebook video ad that I saw with Brian that I kind of just had this sense like, well, check this out. Definitely check this out.

There could be something here. So I actually skipped reading the book, embarrassingly, now. And I went straight to the videos, the seven fast start videos that come with the book.

It started there and then I was like, oh my goodness, I have found something totally unique and different and this is something I am going to dive all the way in. Like even like, I think it was like 10 minutes into the first video I had that awareness. So then of course I went back and read the book and realized what I had come across.

So I just encourage anyone who's jumping in to really just engage in those, the video series. It really is a total life-changing workshop that you're not expecting when you purchase a book. So I would say jump right in.

You'll be astonished and amazed at what you see in those videos as well as in the book. So that would be my two cents.

[Speaker 1] (1:00:27 - 1:00:28)
Awesome.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:29 - 1:00:38)
Listen, Abigail and Brian, thank you very much. Totally enjoyed it. And make sure I put the links put on the audio and the video.

Thank you, Roy. It's been wonderful. Thanks, Abigail.

[Speaker 2] (1:00:38 - 1:00:40)
Thanks so much.

[Speaker 3] (1:00:40 - 1:01:01)
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