In this episode, Roy and Catherine dig into where their own boundaries most need attention — and for both of them, it's less about other people than about themselves. Catherine opens up about her long, ongoing relationship with screens and scrolling, comparing it to a kind of addiction that never fully disappears, just gets managed better or worse at different points in life — and makes the case that our culture has had thousands of years to learn healthy relationships with things like alcohol, but almost no time to adapt to technology deliberately engineered to be this compelling. Roy picks up the thread on how apps like Facebook and WhatsApp actively pull you back in with little red dots right when you're trying to do something else, and shares his own practical boundary: reading physical books instead of PDFs or audio, and stepping away from screens on purpose. He then turns to boundaries with people — recognizing that some people you can handle for five minutes, others for a day, others for a week, and that real self-protection means knowing that difference and choosing to spend more time around the people who energize you rather than the ones who drain you, instead of trying to be "Mr. Nice Guy" with everyone.

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