June 1, 2026

#421 Is the Government Legally Killing Us? Scott Schara on the Medical-Industrial Complex

#421 Is the Government Legally Killing Us? Scott Schara on the Medical-Industrial Complex
#421 Is the Government Legally Killing Us? Scott Schara on the Medical-Industrial Complex
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Welcome back to the Awakening Podcast. Today, we are joined by a man whose personal tragedy has become a catalyst for a global movement. Scott Schara, the father of Grace Schara, returns to share the profound insights from his new book, Is the Government Legally Killing Us?. Following the landmark jury trial surrounding Grace's death, Scott has dedicated over 4,000 hours to researching the "medical-industrial complex" and the systemic ways our health and freedom are being compromised. In this episode, we discuss the "standard of care" trap, the shocking statistics behind chemotherapy and statins, and the broader agenda of population control. Scott doesn't just point out the darkness; he offers a roadmap for "escaping Babylon" and reclaiming our spiritual and physical sovereignty. This is a must-listen for anyone ready to deprogram from the narratives and protect their loved ones.TimestampsTimestampTopic Description0:00Welcome & Introduction to Scott Schara0:47The Legacy of Grace Schara: A fire that won't go out1:16The New Book: Is the Government Legally Killing Us?2:18The Deprogramming Path: Realizing we've been lied to about everything3:07Escaping Babylon: A bigger plan for reclaiming sovereignty4:12Finding Past Episodes: How to search for Scott Schara on AwakeningPodcast.org5:48The Chemotherapy Trap: Shocking statistics from peer-reviewed journals6:55The Agenda: Why would they want to kill us?8:16The COVID PSYOP: How normalization and programming work9:53The "Standard of Care" Deception: Chemo, statins, and medical protocols11:41Statins and Heart Disease: The link to dementia and high cholesterol myths13:22The "Standard of Care" as a Weapon: How protocols replace individual health14:35The War Against God's Image: Understanding the spiritual roots of the conflict32:06Rigged Elections and the Illusion of Democracy: Global observations33:40Choosing Not to Participate: Why Scott stopped voting and trusting the system34:40The FEMA Funeral Reimbursement: Why the Schara family refused "dirty money"35:41The Rockefeller Connection: How the pharmaceutical industry was built36:31Mind Control and the "WWF Wrestling" of World Leadership38:22Frequencies and 5G: The hidden infrastructure of control40:14The Emotional Toll: Staying strong through faith and community41:48Above Reproach: Why Scott refused sponsorship and donated all proceeds43:08The Power of Love: Remembering Grace's impact on the world47:42A Zombie at Walmart: A lighthearted memory of Grace's humor48:45How to Support the Mission: Buying the book and leaving reviews50:07Outro: RoyCoughlan.com and the Awakening Podcast🔗 Where to Find Scott Schara•Website: ouramazinggrace.net•Book: Is the Government Legally Killing Us? (Available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Goodreads)•Substack: Scott Schara's research and updates.🔗 About Your Host (Roy Coughlan)•Listen to this episode on Podbean: https://awakeningpodcast.podbean.com/e/scott-schara-is-the-government-legally-killing-us/•Explore more podcasts: Find all podcasts at the PodFather Network•Website: RoyCoughlan.com•Need help running your business? If you are looking for a Virtual Assistant and get reliable support for your daily operations.•Virtual Assistants: VA.world•Communities: BrainGym.fitness•Learn about a Private Networking Group in 50 US States & 39 Countries with 640+ Members: https://connectedleaders.academy/#AwakeningPodcast #ScottSchara #MedicalFreedom #GraceSchara #MedicalIndustrialComplex #Sovereignty #HealthTruths #Deprogramming #MedicalTyranny #FaithAndFreedom #RoyCoughlan #IsTheGovernmentKillingUs #TruthSeeker #MedicalEthics

Welcome to The Awakening Podcast, you can find other episodes on Awakeningpodcast.org. I am so thrilled to have with us today a man who has become one of the most important voices in the fight for medical freedom in America. He is the father of Grace Shara, a beautiful 19-year-old young woman with Down syndrome whose death inside a hospital lit a fire under her dad that has not gone out since. He has been on over 1,200 radio shows, podcasts and television programs, probably 1,500 at this stage.

He was the plaintiff in a landmark jury trial, the first of its kind in the country, with COVID listed as the cause of death. And now he has put everything he's learned into a powerful new book, Is the Government Legally Killing Us? Scott, it's always a pleasure to have you back. Well, the pleasure is mine, Roy, and I really appreciate that introduction, how you're able to summarize what happened in a very short intro.

It was really kind. You know, this book, it's technically not everything that I've learned, but what it is, is that after the trial was over, so the trial ended in June, that was a victory for the defense. So the hospital won 11 to 1. You and I have talked about that before.

God put on my heart to write down everything that you've learned about the medical-industrial complex. So that's just one minor tentacle of how they are hastening our death through the medical-industrial complex. And so he said, write down everything you've learned, which is about 4,000 hours of research.

And I started writing, thinking it was just going to be a long sub-stack article, you know, broken into parts. And I had an MD review it for technical. I wanted to make sure I didn't technically say anything wrong.

And she encouraged me to write a book. So the sub-stack never came out, and it became a book instead. So this is, um, so much bigger picture.

So I just want to close the loop on, so what's everything? Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, what everything is, is I realize that I've been programmed. And, you know, so the rest of my life will be on the path of becoming deprogrammed.

And so what does that look like? I mean, we've been lied to about the medical. We've been lied to about the legal system. We've been lied to about just about everything.

And, you know, the next book, which is interesting, this first book is minor compared to the draft. I have a 34-page outline. I haven't even started writing the second book yet.

And that one is titled, Is the Church Spiritually Killing Us? So, you know, the government physically killing us and the church spiritually killing us. And so where does that go? I mean, I'm working on a much bigger plan called Escaping Babylon. So how do we get out of this nightmare? So it'll be, I mean, this is years, it'll be years in the making.

It just takes a lot of time. The way I work is I'm not a speed reader. I got to listen, read, and then process and let it percolate through my brain until I own it, and then I can write about it.

So anyway, that's my comment about your introduction and make sure we close that loop. No, no, brilliant. And just for those that might be watching on Bitchute, YouTube Rumble, and even the video on Spotify, this is actually, what's interesting is I was listening back, looking at some of this stuff, and it was like, I had four podcasts.

Today is our eight episode together. And I've eight shows, now I've eight podcasts. But what people need to do is when they go to theawakeningpodcast.org, type in Scott Shara, and you'll see all of them, and you'll see the numbers.

The first few were in number format, there's like 155 is the first one, 163, 201, 223. But then it goes in date order, because I was told using the hashtag actually affects you, but then I realized it doesn't. So now I've gone back to the hashtag kind of thing, but I'll eventually put them into the things.

But that's all you have to do. You put that into the website, you find all the episodes, because we've gone into detail. And you mentioned about kind of the way that you're learning things.

I mean, I love the way that you do things, you know, like you don't just kind of, you know, just kind of willy nilly, just kind of throw something out there. You dot your Ts, cross your As, you do everything, making sure that it's right. And that's what I actually love about you, how you've actually put this together.

Where I'd like to, because I know we could kind of go through the whole story again. And I think that what the book is, is very important. But there was one thing that when I was reading it, and it's something that touches me because about the chemotherapy, because every time I see somebody that gets cancer and they're trying to go, and I know different ways that can actually help you between frequencies, noni juice, there's so many different things that can actually help you with the food, parasite cleanse, things like that.

And every, like there's some children managed to get through it. I've seen the odd person that they've managed to get through it, but usually they're gone within a year, unfortunately. And when I looked, I even printed it off, actually, I'm not sure where I actually put it, but I printed this and the statistics for kind of the success rate.

So I think that's an important one because everybody knows somebody that's been taught, that had to do with themselves, or they know somebody doing it and they might in the future go through it. And I think the knowledge of this is important. Well, I think that that's critical.

And that's why I, I mean, you know how I wrote the book. There's a lot of charts and graphs. I didn't, I wanted it to be a complete book, yet a short book so that people would read it all the way through.

If I wrote down literally everything I've learned, the book would have been, you know, 10 feet thick. But I took the high points and then, you know, organized it in a book. And one of the high points is chemotherapy.

600,000 deaths annually in America from cancer. And that's from the treatment. It's not because, it's not from what they're doing to cause the cancer.

You know, the vaccination agenda is the cause of cancer, but then, you know, they're poisoning our food, poisoning our water, poisoning our air, poisoning our soil. You know, their goal is to have us have cancer. And that's, you first got to wrap your head around that because most people I talked with, I had a business attorney for 25 years.

He's retired now. And he read my book and he said, Scott, can you sit down with me? So he's about 75 years old and we went to lunch this week. And, you know, he was not there yet.

Even after reading the book, he just could not understand why would they try to kill us? And until you see that, you're going to fall into their trap every time. So their goal is to kill us. So let's get that straight.

I mean, and so why? And I'm going to answer your chemotherapy question very specifically, but we got to get people to understand why do they want to kill us? And it's because there is a war and there's a war against us. And so why is there a war against us? Well, people, men and women were made in God's image and Satan hates God. So then Satan creates deceptions and gets people to buy into those deceptions.

So the deception that he's got people to buy into is there's limited resources on the planet. So consequently, humans are the biggest users of resources. So there's too many humans.

So we've got to develop plans to reduce the population and we can't do it all at one time because they would get wise to it and then they'd overtake us. And, you know, us, of course, is the globalist psychopaths. So for example, just process the most recent psyop, big psyop, it's not the most recent psyop, Charlie Kirk would probably be the most recent psyop, but I mean, the most recent psyop we're all familiar with was COVID.

Okay, so once they started giving people the jab, you have 10 seconds after the jab, the person keeled over, you know, so now just process all the people in line, they would have not done it, right? So they can't just kill us. They have to do it through processes so that you don't recognize the person dying. And then they program us through a process of normalization.

So it's considered normal to get cancer. So what is the, how did that happen? But they programmed us that if you don't get cancer, you're lucky. Okay.

So then they program us to trust the doctor. Then they program us chemotherapy, chemotherapy, and the statistics, which this is a peer reviewed journal you're referencing, right? You know, that's what's shocking. This isn't just a dad, Grace's dad saying, you know, chemo sucks.

You know, this is from a peer reviewed journal and the peer reviewed journal said specifically, if you survive chemo and you live five years in one day, you're in a class of 2.1%, 97.9% of your classmates are dead and that's from the treatment. So now think about how deep this programming is. So you and I, if we got cancer, I mean, we wouldn't even, we would learn of it, not by going into the system.

We're not, because we're not even in the system, right? But people learn of it by going into the system. They have some ailment. Then the doctor convinces them to do a biopsy.

And of course the biopsy comes back positive for cancer. And so they're already in the trap and then they want to get a second opinion. And the important thing on that, a lot of the time they know what it is.

They poke around and that's what destroys the result because that goes into your bloodstream and everything. And they know that. That's what's sick.

Exactly. They know that. Yeah.

And the person, you know, just take the programming all the way to, so then the person wants to get a second opinion. Okay. Well, they're getting a second opinion in the same allopathic system.

And so then all of a sudden the second opinion comes to confirms the first opinion, or maybe there's some modification, but it's still chemo is always the answer. And so then the person asked the most foolish question of all, does my insurance cover it? Well, yeah, your insurance covers it because they're in on it. Uh, it's, um, we, it, one of my brothers has a, uh, long-term girlfriend that, uh, she's, she was going everything natural, believes in the natural route.

When she got cancer, what did she do? She's on, you know, went into the system. Um, uh, yeah. Grace, Grace was a martyr, right? And, um, God used her to wake me up and my responsibility is to share what I've learned.

And if people don't want to listen, I can't help them anymore. Um, I just have responsibility to share what I've learned and, you know, you hit one of the hot buttons, which is chemotherapy. Um, and, uh, you know, cancer is only the second leading cause of death.

Heart disease is the first. And, uh, you know, they, they wrap this in a term, uh, which is deceptive and they call it a standard of care. So the standard of care for cancer is chemo.

The standard of care for heart disease is the statin. The statin, you know, you, I mean, you, you remember from the book, I have the peer reviewed study for that. Also the statin causes heart disease and it causes dementia and, uh.

And just like, because basically they tell people come in to do a blood test and they say, Oh, you've got high cholesterol. And that's their kind of trickery. That's the trick there was when I was before I moved out to Poland.

So I was probably in my thirties where I was living, not sure what was going on, but I went down there and they were trying to get me on cholesterol tablets. And I was like, well, I'm not doing this. I have a friend.

She's a top consultant. She said they're supposed to do three tests to make sure because anything can actually fluctuate on this stuff. So even with that, and she said they're well-known for doing that.

So they are getting kickbacks for getting you on this. Like where I live, where I grew up, the amount of people with Alzheimer's, it is so frightening. It's like, she's got it.

She's got it. Like we're talking hundreds of people in a small area. Like it's unreal.

It's like, and it's all connected with this. And Pete, they're just telling people, Oh, you need this. And it's so good for you.

So maybe, maybe touch on what we actually, the things that we actually need, as opposed to the things they're saying, cholesterol is bad for you. Yeah. So, I mean, it's, you can almost bet it's always opposite.

And so high cholesterol is good. So that's what they told me when I was diagnosed with heart disease. So what's the cause? They said high cholesterol.

And, you know, as I dug into it, I realized that was a deception. We need high cholesterol. God designed us to have high cholesterol.

That promotes brain function. It promotes body repair. So you can't fall for, you know, then they have these relative ranges.

Well, relative ranges are based on their relative ranges. And I'm going to be very blunt and give you a hypothetical that all of your listeners will fall into this trap. I guarantee it.

So the trap I'm going to give you in it, and this will help connect the dots, is should we, so first let's define informed consent. Informed consent is two parts. So the doctor informing us of the pros, cons, alternatives, strengths, weaknesses, side effects, all the 411 on whatever.

Okay. So the statin, just for argument's sake. So he's going to give us the 411 on the statin.

Okay. So, and complete information. Okay.

So then we, the other part of it is consent. All right. So then you listen to the doctor and then you choose to say yes or no.

So that's informed consent. All right. So the question is, the hypothetical question, should we demand informed consent? And everybody says yes.

And I'm going to tell you, we don't want to demand informed consent. And I'm going to prove it to you. And so what I'm going to read here, Roy, I have it right in front of me.

This is from the AMA, American Medical Association Code of Medical Ethics. And it's section 2.1.1, subtitle informed consent. And I'm going to read it first, then I'm going to reread it and emphasize the hook.

Informed consent to medical treatment is fundamental in both ethics and law. Patients have the right to receive information and ask questions about recommended treatments so they can make well-considered decisions about care. All right.

So that sounds okay. All right. So now let's read it again and I'm going to show you the hook.

Informed consent to medical treatment is fundamental in both ethics and law. All right. No hook there, but there's an implied hook in that they never disclose how they're paid.

So that would be in a typical business relationship. That would be called the deceptive trade practice. If a business is incentivized, let's say there's a building contractor and he's incentivized to the tune of $50 for every two by six from Acme company versus he doesn't get any incentive for the two by six from ABC company, it would be a deceptive trade practice if he did not disclose the incentive.

Okay. All right. So we're starting it over again.

Informed consent to medical treatment is fundamental in both ethics and law. Okay. That's true.

But remember, they're operating under, they're giving permission to operate a deceptive trade practice. Next, patients have the right to receive information and ask questions about recommended treatments, about recommended treatments, so they can make well-considered decisions about care. Here's the problem.

All right. So the doctor gives you information about the statin. Okay.

That's all he can give you information on because he can only give information on recommended treatments that follow the standard of care that his license, interestingly, the word license is permission to do something illegal that his license allows. Otherwise, if he tells you the truth about statins, he'll lose his license. If he doesn't prescribe the statin, which I interviewed a doctor for my book, he does not prescribe the statins because he knows what I disclosed and he gets penalized financially for not prescribing the statin.

So we don't want to demand informed consent because now we're in their trap. If we said, yes, my doctor is giving me informed consent. Yeah.

We'll realize he's in a box. He's not giving you true informed consent. What would true informed consent for cancer look like, Roy? It would be, hey, here's the 50 possible treatments and these are all the peer-reviewed studies, the non-peer-reviewed studies.

This is all the information and my recommendation is that you take this information, study it because cancer is curable. All right. So that's what, that will never happen.

That will never happen because the agenda is to hasten our death, not to have us live. And when, because I wrote a book, I was advised, I got it to about 20 people and 10 said I'd be whacked for what I was exposed. That was because I have a copy there's 2016 and I was exposing all of these kickbacks and big pharma and everything.

And the person that I knew, a top consultant, because we've all the big pharma in Ireland. And I said, which ones don't do kickbox? She said, they all do. And then I went even deeper, like how would I do on somebody to get a trip to go to Dubai or somewhere else as if like a junket, as if you're going to learn, but you're really on a holiday and then it just gets more and more and they get back and there's, then you tear it off some places where they're stopping this.

And then what they do is like the, the reps, they, they basically pretend that they're, you know, they're going to Michelin star restaurants with their wives and they're just getting the receipts as if like that's a business meeting. There's no matter what you do, even when I worked in construction, like we were doing a government building, the county hall, and they had radiators, like underground kind of heating things. And I was able to get stuff that was way better and half the price.

And I was fighting and fighting. Eventually they went over my head. I checked it out.

I found out they went down the junket. So like the project managers and everything, the company took them away and gave them a freebie. So they were guaranteed to have this, but it's the taxpayers such as paying all for this.

And so it's at every level. It's at every level. Right.

Yep. And it's, you know, we, we have to, we have to get our arms around not blindly trusting and understand how long they've been programming. You know, they program us to trust the government.

They program us to trust the doctor. They program us that the doctor has taken the Hippocratic oath and he did. Yes.

But the Hippocratic oath is to for heathen gods. It is, it is not first do no harm like they've lied to us about. And once, you know, once you come to grips with this, you know, your, your whole worldview changes, you know, and that's really what I hope that people, that happens to people when they read the book is that their worldview changes.

Interestingly, I wrote the book from the perspective, Roy, that when somebody reads it, uh, they, I, I, I think that it, um, can be used as a tool to bring somebody else along who's not awake. Um, because I weaved in Grace's story, um, I weaved in the court battle, um, things that will, you know, people will laugh, cry, get angry, all those things. And then say, wow, this book really, um, I think my, um, my brother, who's not awake, I think he could read this book and not be offended and it might pull him into the fold.

So that was the perspective I took. And that, yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's the way you're, you're kind of stating facts and you're giving a lot of references, which kind of, cause you'll always be attacked. People go, Oh, conspiracy theorists.

And they go after you. Where's your gun? Hey, this is their information. This is their stuff.

And you like, as you read it and then, you know, they have nothing then for it. I mean, they'll still attack you because that's just the way people are. And I mean, you mentioned, uh, you know, previously, like when somebody got a job and there was, there were actually, there was people that were dropping, getting carted away.

And the sheep that were still queuing up still got it. Right. I know there was actually some that happened.

And you're going, what? So sometimes you can put, you know, you can put it in front of people and still goes over their head. What I'd like to touch on, cause I know we've, we've mentioned this, just the stuff in the hospitals, how much, how much they're actually making from all the different things. Because even with the ventilator, because like, I'm terrified to go to hospital.

I've listened, there's one podcast where I listened to a blind boy. And today he said the same. He's like, I hope me or my children never have to go to hospital.

Everyone you talk to, like my mother's mechanic, he got some arm infection or something, went into the hospital, got sepsis and died. I hear so many people, sepsis and died. People in the hospital, they say they're too hot, too cold.

It's filthy. And then there's something like, cause Ireland is under a kind of big lockdown at the moment, all the farmers, because the fuel prices are, it's double what it is in America, what we're after paying. It's like, it's, and heating your home, heating your home doubled in the space of a month and everybody's out.

But then they started coming out saying that there's 845,000 on the waiting list for the hospitals. And it was like, oh, they're bad. But I'm like, our population, it was 4 million.

It's up to about 5 million now, but that's a lot of sick people that are on the waiting list. That's what I was concerned about. And it just shows, but it's like, I see it in Poland.

It's the same people. Like I've heard the same thing in Poland, in the UK, people are afraid to go into hospitals because as you're booked, it is a killing, it's a killing machine. It's like, they're there to injure you.

And even if I look at like, when I was younger, I had tonsils and adenides taken out. They tried to do the same to my son. And I said, no, they're to stop you having an infection.

And everything, everything is like, even the wisdom teeth, they tell you all you need to them take, you know, everything is a lie. And it's like, so I suppose maybe if we could touch on, like, I know the ventilation, but the amount during the COVID, because we did touch on it, but I think it's so important. People need to know it's all about money.

Well, it's, it actually is all about population reduction, but the money is necessary to pull it off. And, um, the re how they pulled this off with the money is really interesting. I'm, diving into that now.

And, um, on March 9th of 1933, I mean, you're, you, you get the idea of the Hegelian dialectic and, you know, so they use this process and I'm going to come back to your, your money question, but you kind of hit a nerve with me. Um, and you know, because of the fee, they had to create a fiat currency to pull this off. Uh, so then everybody can be bought because there's no accounting for money.

Uh, there will never be a balanced budget because they don't want the balanced budget. They use the balanced budget rules as another excuse that we've got a rationed care, which means haste and death. Um, so, you know, just to get people in the fold with what I'm talking about with, with the Hegelian dialectic, they have programmed us to, um, believe there's only two choices.

Uh, so you have CNN and Fox, uh, you have Democrat and Republican and what they have done with that programming is get us to believe that less evil is good. So CNN, bad Fox, good, no CNN, evil Fox, less evil Democrat, evil Republican, good, no Democrat, evil Republican, less evil. That's we got to change our mindset.

So why did they do that? Well, because they want to use this Hegelian dialectic model for the biggies. Uh, so COVID, everybody's familiar with that. So they create a boogeyman, you know, the whole virology thing is a, is one boogeyman after another.

So they create a boogeyman, they call it COVID. Then they get the propaganda machine to get the fear porn going up. When grace became a casualty in that fear porn, uh, because they had to have hospital deaths to get people afraid.

So then they would take the solution problem reaction solution is the Hegelian dialectic. So boogeyman problem reaction, fear or chaos or both, and then solution in this case, the jab. So they did the same thing with nine 11, right? We got the boogeyman, um, planes into the twin towers, the twin towers collapse by design by our own government.

Um, but they found the passports. Yeah, the book, the boogeyman, then the reaction is fear and chaos. And what did we agree to? So they have to get us to agree to our own demise.

So we agree to, um, the Patriot act. So 20, we get, we agree to 24, seven monitoring as a result of that. All right.

So let's go to the great depression, 1933. Uh, so we have, uh, president Roosevelt wins by a landslide promoting the new deal. What's the reason because people are in food lines.

And so they create the boogeyman, great depression, uh, fear and chaos. What's the solution? The new deal. So they vote in a new president.

Well, they didn't really vote him in the new president was selected by a landslide, right? So they got people to believe that, um, this new president's going to fix things. Well, how did he fix it? Well, he, five days after he was inaugurated on March 9th, 1833, um, the executive order said, you've got to trade, you've got to trade your goal gold for a fiat currency. And then we're also going to license everything now.

So there's no freedom anymore. Uh, so people traded their freedom for the illusion of safety, security, and comfort by the government. Okay.

So now we get into that, that mindset. So then how are they using money? Okay. So there's a lot of unwitting participants here.

Uh, you know, the programming is so deep. So now they, they have the COVID scam going on and they incentivized hospitals before anybody ever got diagnosed. So they advanced hospitals money.

Uh, and if they didn't have enough patients diagnosed, they had to give the money back. I mean, so think through that scam and, uh, you know, so, and you think about the program and you can mention the people who, you know, they watch somebody fall over after getting the jab in line and they just keep going like the sheep. Okay.

Well that, you know, the, the doctors and nurses are no smarter than us. In fact, a lot of them, you know, it seems like the more college education you have, the dumber you are because your programming is so deep. Uh, so now the CDC and the FDA, you know, you know, we're in a, we're in a public health emergency.

Well, they, they think we actually are and their God is the CDC. And so when the FDA comes, comes up with the, um, counter measures to handle this boogeyman, you know, these people don't know it's a boogeyman. Um, they've all been triple jabbed.

Uh, they're wearing masks, you know, as, as a religion. And so now when the, the, the FDA says, Hey, listen, we, we have this ventilator, uh, situation, that's our main tool to treat COVID. So we're going to incentivize that to the tune of, if somebody's on a ventilator for 96 hours, we'll pay you, um, $39,000.

And you know, the, interestingly, the average stay on a ventilator was 22 days, which meant it ended up being a $300,000 payday for somebody being on a ventilator. So just process the programming here, Roy, when does it become murder? So, you know, the first day, the first patient, um, the doctor puts them on a ventilator, unknowingly the patient dies. Is that murder? No.

What about the second day? The third day, the fourth day, what about 60 days into what about 90 days into it? And he's killed 200 people already. Okay. If that was you, wouldn't you look elsewhere? Right.

I mean, hello, it's the blinding flash of the obvious. Um, so there's a point where these doctors became, um, assassins and, and it's, it's real. Um, but what, how the pro the programming way it happened started way before COVID, uh, to get people in that mindset that we trust the white coat, um, and the white coat trusts the system.

Um, you know, there's a, there's a video I tease, tease, I own a business. I tease my guys when they, when they don't, um, when they don't think that there's a video about it, a guy in a weight room and he, and, uh, he's asked a question. He doesn't know the answer.

He just says, I, I pick things up and I put them down, you know, just a zombie. Well, that's what, that's what these medical professionals have become because the system spits out the cure. Uh, so then the patient, the protocol becomes the patient instead of the patient dictating the protocol, you know, think through if you were a legitimate doctor, would you organize the symptoms and then put them in a computer and spit out a pill? Or would you ask a lot of questions to figure out what is the cause of this problem? Let's do a complete chemistry.

Let's do, you know, you'd get your arms around it. You would not just instantly go to a pill that the computer spits out. Um, anyway, I gave you a long answer to a lot of people are skeptical about some of the things.

So when you were on about the president being kind of chosen, that happened recently in Ireland. But even if we look at, cause we're having, you know, kind of big lockdown in, in the country, but the guy, that's the leader of our country now, he barely got in on the, not the last election, the previous one, it was like the aid comp. So the way they do it is, you know, just a few people that are going for, uh, the area.

And if they, the lowest portion has gone, but then they carry forward the votes and that's, so he got in on the seventh count, the last election, he came in on the first account. And I didn't know one person that was supporting him. And no, when you go into their social media, Micheal Martin is his name.

All you see is abuse towards him, no love. And that's showing you, it was, it's like, that's not, that's not the market. Like people think that, they're just, they just voted from because, you know, like their parents always voted from, like when somebody is ruining a country, you don't vote from.

But, and I saw that in Romania, I've seen, like, we see it now in Hungary, it's happening everywhere. And if you can go into social media of this guy, everything he posts, like it's entertaining to just go to it. It's just abuse.

Like there's no, so that's showing you that it has been rigged. That's, that's enough to show it's rigged. So the same with America, everywhere, everything, like even when Boris Johnson, I remember seeing a picture of all these guys when they were younger.

And I think there, I don't know, was it 10 people were supposed to be, who'd be the next prime minister? And I said straight away, it's going to be Boris Johnson. And the people were looking at me and it was Boris Johnson because you see them, they're all together. They're all, they're positioned in place.

There's levels above us. And people find it hard to believe. Like I don't vote because if you vote, you're giving them, that's saying, okay, you can control me.

Nobody can control me. I'm free. Right on.

Yep. People don't understand that I get criticized. I'd stop voting also.

They criticize me for doing that, but they don't. I am not participating in evil anymore. And so once I find out something is evil, I just am not participating.

I told my wife that if I have a heart attack, just let me die. I'm not going to the hospital. I'm comfortable dying.

So I mean, you know, I don't want to participate in their systems. And just because there was something in the book that I thought was very good as well. Your wife, Cindy refused to take the money.

Is it from the FEMA thing or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. That was, that was, yeah, right at the beginning.

That was really awesome. Thanks for bringing that up. Yeah.

So, you know, right after Grace died, of course, we're in shock. You know, you go through the funeral process and then we learned that FEMA had a funeral reimbursement if COVID was the cause of death on the death certificate of $9,000. And so when we learned that, I told her, oh, this is, this is what I just found out.

And she instantly said, we don't want their dirty money. And that was right on. Because by accepting the money, you're agreeing with what they did.

And we were already starting to wake up that this was not an accident. Yeah. I had no idea how big it was at that time, but we knew that Grace did not die of COVID.

You know, I didn't realize it was part of a whole scam and part of a whole system of hastening death at that time. But if you think about it, this is parallel to the Rockefellers. Once pharmaceuticals were causing cancer, the Rockefellers funded the American Cancer Society.

So the person who was causing the problem sets up this to make themselves look like a good guy. It's like, this is the dialectic process. So our government, the American government is the instigator behind COVID, not China.

You know, they're always lying. And you know, so that the person who killed, or the institution who killed Grace, and 1.2 million others in hospitals during that PSYOP does the funeral reimbursement. So the people are thinking, oh, we got the greatest government of all.

They have a funeral reimbursement for this, for this pandemic. It's like, oh my gosh. Yeah.

And I mean, like, quite a scam. Everything you hear that has the Rockefellers or the Rothschilds connected, it's from obviously the oil when they were, you know, the way they'd done the trickery with the oil. But it's just any organization that they're doing.

So for example, even the younger people, now they're looking at, say, Mr. Beast on the, and he's partnered with them now. But if you look at it, I spotted it ages ago, because we'd look at the videos and I said, they're pushing something here. Cause I could see the guy with his nails getting changed.

So then they, you know, one of the guys was transgender. He does all the gambling and everything. So people think this guy has just been lucky and he got taken off.

All of them. You look at Ronaldo, you look at all, they're all promoting gambling and everything. Everyone is, they're put in place.

It's all orchestrated and everything they're doing. Like when you know somebody that loses, like if they've got an addiction to gambling, like they don't care if their kids are starving it's just, it's, it's an illness and they're just pushing that. And, you know, and that's like all top level.

So it's, it's a circus. It's the same as the gladiator. So it's a, everything's a circus.

Yeah. That's, that's spot on. Um, I just had a, uh, mind control expert on my podcast, uh, Jason Kristoff and he calls it, um, uh, WWF wrestling.

It's this, that, you know, all fake wrestling and you have, you know, all the world leaders are in on it and they just, it's, it's, and it's right. I mean, it's a, it's a worldwide circus, you know, and that's quite easily proven, you know, so you think you, so are you saying that all the comp, all the countries in the world are owned by the same group? Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Uh, how can you prove it? Well, you know, I don't have the receipts to prove it, but you know, the anecdotal evidence I have is, uh, when is the last time you could have an entire world, uh, submit to a three week flatten the curve lockdown all at the same time? You know, that's, that's impossible unless the strings are controlled by the same group. Yeah. And even because, I mean, we mentioned the clouds with the jab, with the frequencies.

I mean, what I'm hearing now is because we've seen videos where people were just dropping, not the lies from China, where there was lots of people on the street that was all orchestrated. That was another kind of set up to scare people. But you see lots of videos, people just dropping and people have loads of videos of that.

And what I'd say is like all the methods that they're putting in us and that they're using the frequencies because they have to fight Jesus. Like when everyone was in lockdown everywhere here, and I pay attention to a lot of things. It's just kind of the way I am.

And the Dell factory, which is owned by Foxconn. Like that was a new enough road, like, you know, really decent road and the lights were no one of it. They replaced them all.

And then I could see the way they were the flat ones and somebody exposed what's in it and how dangerous they are. So they put in the 5g lights everywhere. And it's like, that's, that's the thing.

And people think, no, they couldn't do that. Like just look at even the NASA and all this. Like, I mean, a blind man could see what they were doing there.

That's how bad it was. But yes, you know, it's strange. Like there's just constantly every single thing they're doing, they're making a mockery.

And the problem is there's a high percentage then are attacking the people that are trying to wake people up. I mean, for me, it's nothing. I just laugh at people, you know, like I just remove them, delete them or just, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't let it in.

So it can't hurt me. You know, if you let, if you let the comments come in, then it hurts you. Nobody can get in because I kind of see if somebody's hurting, you know, hurting people, hurt others.

So just let them off, you know, I don't. So just for yourself, I know you're the same, you're, what you've been through with the courts and everything, you've, you've got an armor plate at this stage. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it does. I still, I'm still a human and I'm still a man and, you know, so stuff, it does, it's, it wears on you, it wears on you. But, you know, I praise God that, as Grace would say, you know, you saw that in the book, God's got this dad, you know, so I know everything works out.

You know, my, my faith is, is, is strong, but it, it still wears on you emotionally. You know, it's, it's because you just, you know, think about what we're trying to do. We're just trying to help people.

I mean, we have not, you know, I, I look at what we've done with Grace's stuff. You know, we have been literally all in Roy. You know, we didn't take, we had two different organizations that wanted to sponsor the trial and I didn't take any of their money because I didn't want to be subject to their control.

But more importantly, I didn't want, I wanted Grace, everything we're doing with Grace to be above reproach. So, once we got through the, the, the pretrial, so the trial was in June, we had the pretrial in May of last year. As soon as we knew we had the trials, because that's when you know for sure you're going to trial, then Cindy and I, my wife and I signed over a hundred percent.

If we would have won, we won, we'd signed over the right to the proceeds. We just didn't want to, we just didn't want to take anything, you know, that. Yeah.

Cause then people could say, oh, you're doing it for the money. You took that off the table. You took it right off the table.

And it's so frustrating to hear these, these comments and, you know, you, you've got a lot of Monday morning quarterbacks that, yeah, I guess I would guess they're unemployed and they don't have anything better to do than to, to criticize. What I'll tell you, and this is for you, because I know what you're doing, but it's also, there's others that are trying to, you know, fight, wake people up. What you do is, cause I've even seen some of the letters that people, when they were going into the church and everything, all the beautiful comments and messages, whether you save it on your computer or print it out, have it in an envelope, have a book.

And as soon as somebody gives you a little slap, because it, sometimes you read something and you go, I mean, we're human. It's serious. You just delete it, remove it.

Don't look at it again and open up that book. And instead of you thinking about that, you just see the love because there's 99% love and 1% hate. And unfortunately, a lot of people, they just go in that direction.

Don't ever do that. Have a book of the love that you get. Cause I know a lot of people really appreciate what you do a lot.

Even the comments that I saw with Grace, how she touched people. And she was amazing because of you and Cindy as parents, the love that she shared with her. Yeah.

Well, that is really, thank you for that, Roy. You made my day. I really appreciate that.

That was very kind. So to give people the take-home message, I would be honored and humbled if everybody listening would buy the book. 100% of the proceeds go to Grace's foundation.

So, I mean, we're not taking any money from the book either. I just want everything to be above reproach. The title of the book is, Is the Government Legally Killing Us? If you just go to Amazon, it's been searched so many times, you can just type is the, and it pops up.

But I want people to go to Grace's website, which is ouramazinggrace.net. On the website, you'll see a picture of the cover of the book. Here it is right here. You'll see that cover.

And if you just click on that cover, you'll have three purchase options. One is Amazon, the other one, Barnes and Noble, and Goodreads. And I'd appreciate it if everybody would do that.

And then once you're done reading, pass it on to somebody who's not awake. That would make my day. While you're on the website, in the upper right-hand corner, you see a tab that says subscribe to our newsletter.

I do a fairly regular substack, either every week or two weeks, where I'm, you know, the newest and latest information that I'm researching, I'm releasing on substack. And so it becomes kind of this chronology of research. I've done hundreds of articles now, and I'd appreciate it if people would subscribe to the substack also.

And how I'd like to finish actually is because by looking at the books, because I mean, from our conversations from the very start, you've always talked about Grace, all the different things. But I saw pictures, you know, there's some pictures, like even with Priscilla Presley, because she loved Elvis, there's pictures of her, you know, getting kisses, even dressed up as Elvis, and the mouth, you put the mouth, and you taught her how to drive and everything. And I think, you know, that it's beautiful as well, that you've got all the different things and how she's touched people.

So maybe we'll finish with just maybe telling people your love for her, because I know that, you know, not just from the book, but from knowing you for a couple of years now at this stage. Grace has been gone, it'll be five years coming up that I told her. She was a gift.

You know, I miss her so much. I mean, I've got things back here. You know, this is what I miss about Grace most was her sense of humor.

So, of course, I've got the, you know, I've got the fake poop. This is one of her last notes on a Christmas gift she had. And then so you can see that, and it says, To Earthly Dad from Grace Emily.

So she called me Earthly Dad. I mean, it's amazing. Yeah, she's looking down and she's so proud because you're a warrior, Scott, and what you're doing with the court case and everything.

And I mean, from what I see, like, because the love that you have given that child. She was great. She was easy.

She was easy to love. I mean, you don't get credit in God's economy for loving somebody like her. I mean, she was easy.

You know, try loving the unlovable. That's the impossible thing. And what I open up the book here because, you know, writing this book was actually fairly easy.

But when I hired a copy editor, and, you know, I didn't know anything about a book. So she said, Well, you got to write a dedication. And of course, I knew I dedicate the book to Grace.

But I lost a whole day after I wrote this, just because I was so, you know, like, you're asking me about her. And I wrote, To my best buddy, Grace, you showed me what God's love and faith in him look like. Your death has not been in vain.

I love you, buddy. And I lost a whole day after writing that, because, you know, it just brings back, it brings back all the memories. She was, she got to, you know, just share something funny instead of sad at the end here, because, you know, she got, you know, I have a literal sense of humor, and she really got that.

And it was so funny. I didn't know if she would or not. And she was only five years old.

And my wife said, she wanted me to go get something from Walmart, which meant that I must have done something wrong, because I hate that store. And, and, and so I said, Grace, why don't you come along with Dad? And so she comes, she's in, she hops in the truck with me. And so we get in the truck.

And I said to Grace, everybody that shops at Walmart is a zombie. So we get in the store, and she starts poking people in the stomach. And she said, Dad, they're not zombies.

And I thought, yes, she's got it. And we had so much fun together, Roy. Thanks for, thank you for asking about Grace.

Well, I know she's proud of you, but I'm proud of you as well for everything you've done to Court Case and what you're doing now. And I encourage everybody, get the book, because, you know, he's not doing like he spent so much on putting billboards up, doing so many different things. He's doing it from the heart and everything he has said, I know myself, because I've, I've seen a lot of stuff.

I know what they are trying to kill you a hundred percent. They are trying to kill you. And it's good the way it's written down because they're actually, he's given so much different references and everything that would prove his point.

So look forward to having you back again, make sure I put the links, both in the audio and the video. I'll encourage the people when you do get the book, what you might do as well as a lot of people that they don't think how important this is, but give a five star review and give a comment because the algorithms, the way they work, they'll actually then push it out to more people because this will actually help you. I'd encourage you to read it for yourself because it will help you.

And thinking that the hospital's got your back, the court's got your back, the government's got your back. The only thing they're doing is sticking knives in your back. So don't trust them.

Roy, you are, you are so awesome. I just enjoy you so much as a host and it's just been fun to, to develop our friendship. So God bless you.

Thanks for having me. No, thank you very much. So that's all for the Awakening Podcast.

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